Defoliation Method Opinions

[tip top toker]

It's like trying to reinvent the wheel and getting angry when people say nope not as good

 

[stickybuds*]

Exactly, endless threads saying the same exact thing, thats everyones point.

thanks jbone77 your right about Exactly, endless threads saying the same exact thing, thats everyones point.

so why make this point, (I hear that topping below the first node saves you the time of defoliation, give it a try, ul see) lol
why not just walk away if you don't think defoliation works and TBH its only for advance growers so you should not try it

 

[chuck estevez]

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[stickybuds*]

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just joking mate, just had to say it lol

 

[Jbone77]

thanks jbone77 your right about Exactly, endless threads saying the same exact thing, thats everyones point.

so why make this point, (I hear that topping below the first node saves you the time of defoliation, give it a try, ul see) lol
why not just walk away if you don't think defoliation works and TBH its only for advance growers so you should not try it

I was trying to help, if you top below the first node you wont need to defoliate. Defoliation is definitely way too advanced for me, I agree completely, no arguments there

 

[Dr Smith]

That was hilarious... The original question remains. I suppose if you don't believe in defoliation it's not worth the time, eh? Those opinions are well documented elsewhere and easy to find. I've already done all that reading and I didn't nor do I want to discuss that.

I am asking folks who believe in / use defoliation as a method.

Have any of you experimented with strategically cutting off just pieces of leaves to open the canopy as opposed to cutting off the entire leaf? It seems to me that by doing that you aren't cutting off the nose as one poster said but simply cutting off the piece getting in the way and allowing the rest of the nose to continue doing it's work.

 

[jondamon]

That was hilarious... The original question remains. I suppose if you don't believe in defoliation it's not worth the time, eh? Those opinions are well documented elsewhere and easy to find. I've already done all that reading and I didn't nor do I want to discuss that.

I am asking folks who believe in / use defoliation as a method.

Have any of you experimented with strategically cutting off just pieces of leaves to open the canopy as opposed to cutting off the entire leaf? It seems to me that by doing that you aren't cutting off the nose as one poster said but simply cutting off the piece getting in the way and allowing the rest of the nose to continue doing it's work.

A grower called riddleme played around with removing every other leaf up a stem when pruning. Maybe you employ this technique into your defoliation method and see how it works.

Personally I prune lower growth leaving leaves on at the canopy and well within my lights penetration.


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[tip top toker]

That was hilarious... The original question remains. I suppose if you don't believe in defoliation it's not worth the time, eh? Those opinions are well documented elsewhere and easy to find. I've already done all that reading and I didn't nor do I want to discuss that.

I am asking folks who believe in / use defoliation as a method.

Have any of you experimented with strategically cutting off just pieces of leaves to open the canopy as opposed to cutting off the entire leaf? It seems to me that by doing that you aren't cutting off the nose as one poster said but simply cutting off the piece getting in the way and allowing the rest of the nose to continue doing it's work.

Then you have not understood his post. You want as much light being absorbed as high up as you can. A summed down explanation would be that if you trim leaves to allow ten percent more light down to lower leaves, you lose ten percent on your canopy, but only gain 5 percent lower down. It is a loss, not a redistribution.

 

[Dr Smith]

Then you have not understood his post. You want as much light being absorbed as high up as you can. A summed down explanation would be that if you trim leaves to allow ten percent more light down to lower leaves, you lose ten percent on your canopy, but only gain 5 percent lower down. It is a loss, not a redistribution.

Totally get that. I was referencing the ensuing posts.

I'm basically talking about budding sites directly underneath a fan leaf. Clipping 1 of 7 leaf points off to allow light to reach the bud below this leaf as opposed to cutting the leaf off entirely. I wouldn't take off leaves unless I had to. I know they are important to the plant but I also know they are evolved to withstand nature and everything she can throw at them. In my our thoughtfully designed rooms the plant doesn't need to deal with any of that. It seems logical that removing a small piece to allow for light penetration directly on a budding site would benefit more then harm.

 

[stickybuds*]

Yes I have cut fan leaves to get light to lower buds sites and it can give a lot higher yeild

Done right and you can have 8-10x 12" cola's on each plant
Somthing I have done many times, also putting bamboo round the pot and pulling each main shoot out just 2-3" can realy open the canopy and increase the yield further

 

[tip top toker]

Yes I have cut fan leaves to get light to lower buds sites and it can give a lot higher yeild

Done right and you can have 8-10x 12" cola's on each plant
Somthing I have done many times, also putting bamboo round the pot and pulling each main shoot out just 2-3" can realy open the canopy and increase the yield further

Well I'd love to see it. Because your thread was nothing more than chopping back to the beginning so you could scrog it like you could have from the start. You can quite easily get exactly as you describe without removing a leaf. Its called a scrog...

 

[weedislife]

I actually just defoliated the shit out of one of my plants today it was full of leaves and no light getting to bud it is 8 weeks into flowering I seen a post on a different forum were the guy does it to all his plants had pics of the whole process looked good if it dont work oh well but if it does work awesome the plant is super crystally and very stinky just needs bigger buds

weed

 

[joe macclennan]

another one of these....already?

has any defoliating thread ever ended peacefully?

never

It's like trying to reinvent the wheel and getting angry when people say nope not as good

lol

 

[stickybuds*]

Well I'd love to see it. Because your thread was nothing more than chopping back to the beginning so you could scrog it like you could have from the start. You can quite easily get exactly as you describe without removing a leaf. Its called a scrog...

here you go tip top toker

this is my current grow 6 plants, one week in flower , I just removed 50% of the weaker shoots and loads of fan leaves, only left what the plant needs to give me loads of dank bud
I will start a grow diary up in the next day or two












hope this is more helpful than my last post Dr Smith

 

[joe macclennan]

not gonna lie sticky. They look very healthy. nice and green. You've done a good job up until now.

just imagine if you left your fans on.

too bad you didn't leave one with the same amount of shoots removed but more fans on just for a test. a side by side is the only way you could know if you did good or not.

how much light do you have on em btw?

 

[nameno]

Again... Tons of reading out there on all this.

My question is: Anybody out there just cutting pieces of leaf off instead of the whole leaf? Seems to me this is a great way to keep fan leaves on top while allowing light to get down below we as needed.

I understand your question,Itried it last grow just a little (since I've tried defoliation) I cut just the part I needed to,usually
about half to 3/4 of leaf.It did not hurt it like defoliation,did not help it like proper defoliation does.Wish I knew how to do it
proper.GL

 

[stickybuds*]

Thanks joe and I have a 600w hps, yeh I take some of the fan off so I don't get uneven growth, also the cola grow a lot thicker and longer
I have tried leaving the fan leaves on but as I often top the plants, the canopy would grow really thick in flower and the canopy was very uneven,
the yield was not bad, but there was a lot of airy buds and often got some bud rot, where the canopy was so thick, this reduced airflow through the canopy

I start removing some side shoots and fan leaves from some plants (side by side test years back)

over time my yields got higher and my plants looked more healthy so I carried on with it

last few grows I have been re using the soil, so just working out how much nutes they need and when to keep them healthy
got it a little wrong on my last grow, started flushing too early lol

 

[Jbone77]

I understand your question,Itried it last grow just a little (since I've tried defoliation) I cut just the part I needed to,usually
about half to 3/4 of leaf.It did not hurt it like defoliation,did not help it like proper defoliation does.Wish I knew how to do it
proper.GL

It didnt hurt it like defoliation nor did it help it like defoliation? Roger that, I think, or not, fuck I dunno, maybe