Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones

[Samwell Seed Well]

doesn't work like that indoor but whatever. There is a reason I run both vertical and overhead lights.

what doestn work indoor, seems to work for me.......guess im in a different kind of indoor

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

View attachment 3020141There is no way my buds receive the same quality of light at the top as they do at the bottom. To make up for light penetration I run a vert bulb below, can you bleach plants if it gets too close, yes, but in reality you need equal lighting both top and bottom so all plants can use what they need.

a plant can only absorb as much light as it is given, supplemental lighting or not, smae lumens and watts per square inch is teh same weather is from under , on top or from the side,

interestingly enough point of light source does effect auxin productions...what does that make you think about

thats teh point of teh test, to show you can do better defoliating, a defoliated plant and your plant grow the same..... soil,food,photosynthesis

im not sure why you think one lumen is deemed better then another but im listening

 

[^su]

a plant can only absorb as much light as it is given, supplemental lighting or not, smae lumens and watts per square inch is teh same weather is from under , on top or from the side,

interestingly enough point of light source does effect auxin productions...what does that make you think about

thats teh point of teh test, to show you can do better defoliating, a defoliated plant and your plant grow the same..... soil,food,photosynthesis

im not sure why you think one lumen is deemed better then another but im listening

what don't you get that at 1 foot away the lumens of a 1000w bulb isn't the same as 2 feet away? Are you that dense man?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

dont you get you can put a bucket under a plant to make its height equal to others

are you that narrowminded?

come on dude....

or maybe lower your light source, i may be an ass but all my plants and light sources can move up or down .......

 

[^su]

If a plant is 5 feet tall and another one 3 feet tall the bottom of the 5 foot plant won't receive the same amount of lumens as the bottom of the 3 foot plant that will surly produce better buds at that height in an indoor grow.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

If a plant is 5 feet tall and another one 3 feet tall the bottom of the 5 foot plant won't receive the same amount of lumens as the bottom of the 3 foot plant that will surly produce better buds at that height in an indoor grow.

that might be part of the point...did you think about that

canopy same everything else the same then the differnce in outcome will be the difference between a defoilated plant and one that is not, but otherwise grown teh same


hello mcfly!

 

[joe macclennan]

their is no right, only results!

right/wrong/good/bad these are entirely to conditional and subjective


it is only what works and why it worked , or what didn't work and why

you missed my point sammy. My point was we were both being assholes.

some jsut come here to troll, its how they get their rocks off, so got to take the good with the bad

so kinda like when you made false claims about me starting "help me threads" a few posts back?? Like that kind of trolling?

just curious

Good on you Joe, can't tell you how refreshing that is to see on RUI! All too often... things tend to devolve.

+rep bro

Edit: looks like I have repped you recently, I won't forget...
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to joe macclennan again.

thank you cascadian. You could be the voice of reason around here if you stick around.

So the plant that isn't butchered which will obviously be the tallest will get supplemental lighting for the lower beaches so all light intensity is equal correct?

i feel the key to this is proper pruning of the larger plant removing all the sucker branches. That's what I do anyway for larger plants.

Pictures or it never happened??? Earlier in this thread you were just going with the general consensus, now you are saying you tried the technique. Prove it??

You are a fucking retard and have nothing to contribute here. And the general consensus around this site and in the growing world about defoliation IS that it is unnecessary for good yields..In fact detrimental. Jesus christ! even sammy will tell you that. That's what this entire thread is about...Proving an upopular technique. Perhaps you should sit in the back of class and just listen and take notes before opening your mouth freshman.

don't you get the feeling a few growers are worried that remove leaves as necessary to gain better yields actually works ?
why not just sit back and watch the grow

Ummm to ensure a fair test with few variables ...I guess everyone else' input isn't needed eh?

We COULD just start slow. take 2 plants(unfucked with) grow them till there ready to flower. defoliate 1 according to the growweedeasy site tech. and see which 1 produces more bud.

I could care less about veg at this point.

not a bad question

doesn't work like that indoor but whatever. There is a reason I run both vertical and overhead lights.

Yes and no. and I kind of agree with you in a way. If the op wants to lift plants to allow them better access to lights perhaps the larger plants should be given better access as well. but this is where things get muddy. Cascadian made a good point about adding extra lumens.

the two lights/rooms idea someone had is not a bad idea to rectify this though.

Then let's start at square 1. How much longer does it take in veg to train the plant before it's ready for flower? vs just supercropping or topping and if not that much more time,then, how much more does it yield? In flower, just do what would normally be done with the plant as far as distance, plucking and all that. The bottomline is just to find out if it's more economical to just not deleaf.

again a fair question.

 

[^su]

dont you get you can put a bucket under a plant to make its height equal to others

are you that narrowminded?

come on dude....

or maybe lower your light source, i may be an ass but all my plants and light sources can move up or down .......

ok let me break it down for you plain and simple, if I have plant A on the floor and stands 5 feet in height and then I have plant B at 3 feet and put a bucket under it to make it 5 feet you're telling me the 5 foot plant will receive the same light intensity as the bottom of the 3 foot plant? Call me crazy but seems like common sense.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

ya im an asshole, but im still listening

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

ok let me break it down for you plain and simple, if I have plant A on the floor and stands 5 feet in height and then I have plant B at 3 feet and put a bucket under it to make it 5 feet you're telling me the 5 foot plant will receive the same light intensity as the bottom of the 3 foot plant? Call me crazy but seems like common sense.

no im telling you the difference will be one grown with defoliation and one not

as per which tech will have better or more favorable results

this is pretty simple, their is a difference between defoliated and not....thats the point to find out through flowering out two plants with as little differences between them about how they are grown other then defoliation so canopy height would have to be the same from the start...no matter what

if ones trait made it grow taller then another after the flower cycle had begun, or cuase it to have lower growth not as close to the light source, then thats part of concluding whats more favorable as an outcome.....this is basic

 

[chuck estevez]

no im telling you the difference will be one grown with defoliation and one not

as per which tech will have better or more favorable results

this is pretty simple, their is a difference between defoliated and not....thats the point to find out through flowering out two plants with as little differences between them about how they are grown other then defoliation so canopy height would have to be the same from the start...no matter what

I agree. I feel it will take longer to get the defoliated plant to 3 ft.
then with the even canopy and the 3 ft continued to be molested we see who produces more.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

one thing is in mid to late flower i never defoliate, if the leaves fall off or becomes sickly(which happens) i remove it but other then that for me and the way i use it i stop defoliating after week 1-2 depending how long it takes to flower, or basically my rule of thumb is after the buds have started to form, i leave it be for the most part, i also do all my staking and any other bending if needed at this time, most of my defoilation training happens in veg like most training

teh guys that taught me defoliation do it well into flower, get longer flower times and end up with much bigger yields then me , but i feel that when you remove to many leaves in flower you reduce the amount of thc producing hormones that are not re created after flowering starts(althought im not 100% on that just my thoughts on teh topic of flower defoilation)

 

[neo12345]

You are a fucking retard and have nothing to contribute here. And the general consensus around this site and in the growing world about defoliation IS that it is unnecessary for good yields..In fact detrimental. Jesus christ! even sammy will tell you that. That's what this entire thread is about...Proving an upopular technique. Perhaps you should sit in the back of class and just listen and take notes before opening your mouth freshman.

Getting a bit touchy aren't we, think I must have hit a nerve there!!

All i'm asking for is some proof, really is that a lot to ask to prove your theory right? You're quite happy to ask for proof from other people, and the general consensus must be based on some kind of proof and rational argument?

 

[^su]

If it takes longer to get the defol plant to canopy level isn't that the point that it just wastes time and money? Call me nuts but I like to finish my stuff as quickly and as efficient as possible? If you defol outside and the plant doesn't finish before the first freeze do you blame the weather or the person that stunted it? Someone's gotta smoke snickle fritz

 

[neo12345]

We COULD just start slow. take 2 plants(unfucked with) grow them till there ready to flower. defoliate 1 according to the growweedeasy site tech. and see which 1 produces more bud.

I could care less about veg at this point.

That's why we're not letting you do the experiments Chuck, you clearly do not understand the technique!! Try reading it again slowly, and take notes this time!!

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

same time veg, smaller plant maybe maybe not...mine pick up growth the longer i veg em, and not everyone run one plant or heat at a time

all my veg and flowering plants run concurrently in separate rooms(which is why i use gas lantern technique for lighting cycle 12on-5off-1on-6off) .....once a flower and veg room is full and the next heat's are vegging concurrently time is of now issue

and you dont have to have a huge plant to have a high yielding plant, think multi tops instead of one or two or three 18 gram top nugs you have 10 or 12......this tech creates plants with multiple main branches when done right .....just like LST or bending cracking branches to form a even canopy

do the math, plus a lower and third stage canopy as well that , are also closer to teh light source

i judge all my plants based on percentage of quality nugs, if my strain with defoliation will produce equally heavy nugs up and down the canopy then great, and then theirs the multi top main branches as well as a multiplier to yield

 

[joe macclennan]

lol@ neo using my words against chuck hahaha ..

You are a foolish young man neo.

we know who needs to read around here

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

lol@ neo using my words against chuck hahaha ..

You are a foolish young man neo.

we know who needs to read around here

is he teh one

 

[joe macclennan]

If it takes longer to get the defol plant to canopy level isn't that the point that it just wastes time and money? Call me nuts but I like to finish my stuff as quickly and as efficient as possible? If you defol outside and the plant doesn't finish before the first freeze do you blame the weather or the person that stunted it? Someone's gotta smoke snickle fritz

that's my opinion on the topic. I would rather put less time into a plant and have another one ready to replace it asap. If you ever have a power outage or pump failure while away or many many many other things that can go wrong indoors you will wish you had a smaller less labor intensive grow. Having something ready to replace the flowering plants quickly IS the most efficient way to grow indoors....for many reasons, yield is just the biggest reason.

same time veg, smaller plant maybe maybe not...mine pick up growth the longer i veg em, and not everyone run one plant or heat at a time

all plants have exponential growth characteristics.

 

[joe macclennan]

is he teh one

he is teh one