Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones

[Cascadian]

The only way people will believe it is if they try it for themselves, you could try it for yourself. Just grow an extra plant next time, and veg it for a bit with the others then defoliate it and see what happens. Once your plants start getting over crowded you can throw it away, but it will show you how quickly the leaves grow back. As I think that one of the stumbling blocks for people is the initial pulling off a load of leaves, it doesn't quite seem natural to pull the leaves off. You'd probably be able to do a couple of defoliations before the plants get too big.

You'll be amazed at the speed the leaves grow back again.

I am doing this right now with no control (not trying to prove anything to anyone else), as you said one plant. Not doing it to settle any debate, just to learn about the plant and see how it adapts etc. It is a Jilly Bean, defoliated about 10 days before flower, it will be again at about 2 weeks in and again at about 2 weeks to harvest. I have experience with this plant so I feel I will be able to judge for myself the merits of defoliation. Might be bigger yield (I doubt it) Might be other attributes of growth/training... Might hermie, might die IDK... just doing it to learn, thats it. I have plenty of smoke so can afford to lose something in yield or to lose the plant entirely.

 

[profterpen]

https://www.rollitup.org/showthread.php?t=811528

They call me Bunny

 

[lilroach]

I would to do my own defoliate comparison if there was a "correct" way that makes sense to me. The problem with defoliating is that it can easily be done wrong, and from many of the photo's I've looked at, many growers seem to do it wrong in my book. I fear I would do it wrong. I may take a plant that I don't care about and play around a little. I have a few clones I'll be using as mothers, I can yank on those plants a bit without harm I guess.

That's why I'm very interested in this experiment.

 

[chuck estevez]

I would to do my own defoliate comparison if there was a "correct" way that makes sense to me. The problem with defoliating is that it can easily be done wrong, and from many of the photo's I've looked at, many growers seem to do it wrong in my book. I fear I would do it wrong. I may take a plant that I don't care about and play around a little. I have a few clones I'll be using as mothers, I can yank on those plants a bit without harm I guess.

That's why I'm very interested in this experiment.

http://growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

 

[neo12345]

I am doing this right now with no control (not trying to prove anything to anyone else), as you said one plant. Not doing it to settle any debate, just to learn about the plant and see how it adapts etc. It is a Jilly Bean, defoliated about 10 days before flower, it will be again at about 2 weeks in and again at about 2 weeks to harvest. I have experience with this plant so I feel I will be able to judge for myself the merits of defoliation. Might be bigger yield (I doubt it) Might be other attributes of growth/training... Might hermie, might die IDK... just doing it to learn, thats it. I have plenty of smoke so can afford to lose something in yield or to lose the plant entirely.

Respect to you for giving it a try Cascadian, that's exactly what is needed is people just trying a little experiment on just one plant. All of us grow in different ways and even in defoliation there seem to be lot's of different opinions or ways people defoliate their plants, and it's all about sharing those experiences with others.

Me personally I would wait until 21 days into flowering before you defoliate again, until the stretch is completely finished. From what I understand I think defoliation will stop the stretch which isn't what you want, as you'll want it to be the same height as your other plants. Though it could be used as a tool for stunting out of control plants, but that's a whole different conversation.

Like any technique it has to be dialed in to your plants and system so I hope you don't just give up if the one plant doesn't work out? You're not likely to kill the plant, so good luck with the experiment and I think you might be surprised at the results.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

I would to do my own defoliate comparison if there was a "correct" way that makes sense to me. The problem with defoliating is that it can easily be done wrong, and from many of the photo's I've looked at, many growers seem to do it wrong in my book. I fear I would do it wrong. I may take a plant that I don't care about and play around a little. I have a few clones I'll be using as mothers, I can yank on those plants a bit without harm I guess.

That's why I'm very interested in this experiment.

said so easily yet understood by few


cant wait for this epic thread to pose serious questions to those who hate/are obstinate

 

[^su]

Good luck with hermies guys, cracks me up to think that non of you realize that defoliating to the level you speak will hermie a plant in flower and would be shocked if it did. Like I said before, someone has to smoke snickle fritz.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

says the guy who knows what alleles ?homogenious traits? Are or how they evovle

DONT BE A TOOL

BEEN A SERIOUS SEED POPPER FOR 3 YEARS....WHO HAS WORKED FOR BREEDERS VENDERS, ADN OTHER .....And WHERES your holiday inn experience come from

i got generations ...after my shit ..what you got bra

 

[SnapsProvolone]

Level bottoms. Defoliation stunts growth, if you raise the plant your just trying to offset that factor.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Level bottoms. Defoliation stunts growth, if you raise the plant your just trying to offset that factor.

agreed but lack of growth has little to do with amount of nodes ......i base my plants of node sites..do you know how many yours has

 

[^su]

says the guy who knows what alleles ?homogenious traits? Are or how they evovle

DONT BE A TOOL

BEEN A SERIOUS SEED POPPER FOR 3 YEARS....WHO HAS WORKED FOR BREEDERS VENDERS, ADN OTHER .....And WHERES your holiday inn experience come from

i got generations ...after my shit ..what you got bra

My agronomy degree took 4 years but hey I didn't learn shit about growing. Even if doesn't herm you will have 2 weeks or more of growth left to finish from it being stunted. Serious seed popper for 3 years? Really, that's what your coming at me with?
Just so were clear we're discussing heavy defol and not topping, LST, ect or any other training technique, just strictly defol. Listen man I've been doing this for much longer than 3 years and at one point in time of learning I butchered my plants. It reduces yield but not quality if it doesn't herm on you.

 

[^su]

agreed but lack of growth has little to do with amount of nodes ......i base my plants of node sites..do you know how many yours has

If you sit there and count nodes I'm done talking with you, my plant has x amount of nodes which makes it a super plant! Hey gaiz my plant haz 300 nodez! It's teh best and wil grow moar budz cause I chop my leaves!!!!!

 

[neo12345]

I would to do my own defoliate comparison if there was a "correct" way that makes sense to me. The problem with defoliating is that it can easily be done wrong, and from many of the photo's I've looked at, many growers seem to do it wrong in my book. I fear I would do it wrong. I may take a plant that I don't care about and play around a little. I have a few clones I'll be using as mothers, I can yank on those plants a bit without harm I guess.

That's why I'm very interested in this experiment.

I don't think there is a 'correct' way of doing this technique yet Roach, it's still at it's early stages but there do seem to be basic guidelines.

The golden rule is give the plant enough time to recover before switching to 12/12, this is generally 10-14 days from the last defoliation to flicking the switch. Apart from that it's all pretty much up for debate/experiment.

A basic guide would be something like:

Day 1 - First defoliation

Day 14 - Second defoliation

Day 28 - Flip to 12/12

Day 49 - First defoliation in flower

Day 62 - Second defoliation in flower

As to how much you defoliate the plant, that's really open for debate! Have fun experimenting though, it will be interesting to see the results.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

If you sit there and count nodes I'm done talking with you, my plant has x amount of nodes which makes it a super plant! Hey gaiz my plant haz 300 nodez! It's teh best and wil grow moar budz cause I chop my leaves!!!!!

i count nodes ...and of all the things i said to you this is whats drives you off.........super logic

 

[^su]

I don't think there is a 'correct' way of doing this technique yet Roach, it's still at it's early stages but there do seem to be basic guidelines.

You sit there and call us imbeciles but fail to realize that defol is a waste of money and time? As long as pot has been grown you think someone would have coined a solid defol technique wouldn't you?

 

[^su]

i count nodes ...and of all the things i said to you this is whats drives you off.........super logic

Low yielding plants have fewer nodes moron. Doesn't makes them less desirable to people that care about quality.

 

[chuck estevez]

You sit there and call us imbeciles but fail to realize that defol is a waste of money and time? As long as pot has been grown you think someone would have coined a solid defol technique wouldn't you?

trying to explain ANYTHING to that tard is like clapping with 1 hand. First he says,"you're doing it wrong" then says, There is no correct way yet. Then he claims it turbo charges and speeds up the plant. 3 pages later he says you have to give it time to repair itself. He talks out of his ass and really should just go sit in the corner.

 

[chuck estevez]

I don't think there is a 'correct' way of doing this technique yet Roach, it's still at it's early stages but there do seem to be basic guidelines.

The golden rule is give the plant enough time to recover before switching to 12/12, this is generally 10-14 days from the last defoliation to flicking the switch. Apart from that it's all pretty much up for debate/experiment.

A basic guide would be something like:

Day 1 - First defoliation

Day 14 - Second defoliation

Day 28 - Flip to 12/12

Day 49 - First defoliation in flower

Day 62 - Second defoliation in flower

As to how much you defoliate the plant, that's really open for debate! Have fun experimenting though, it will be interesting to see the results.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

chuck might be very right

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

defoliation is a skill not a , set forget method

let it grow, dont be sadist with it, defoliate just to defoliate.....their is a purpose and a reason to remove leaves and change where the flow of growth auxins are

id suggest at about 6 nodes and some natural branching remove the bigger fan leaves from the main top, and as the other branches grow remove their upper main leaves as well

the removal of leaves will effect both growth and where the plant focuses its growth most at ...so be aware that you will be effecting that directly