Making shatter smell/taste better? + Questions w/ technique

SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Higher temps equal more rapid decarb. A several hour 130 degree exposure will likely partially decarb. Shatter is history then, more like taffy sap if not runnier. More decarb = runnier oil, like syringe oil.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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decarboxylation doesn't happen at a set temp but increases exponentially with heat.
also he says he pulls full vac....
 
Dannoo93

Dannoo93

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Well I blow onto warm pyrex purge most tane off scrape then into everclear inti freezer for 48 hours then back into pyrex on double boil at about 115/130 for a few hours to rid of everclear then scrape....how come when I do 140 I get crumble no goo

Dannoo93
 
WarMachine

WarMachine

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Dannoo93 said:
Well I blow onto warm pyrex purge most tane off scrape then into everclear inti freezer for 48 hours then back into pyrex on double boil at about 115/130 for a few hours to rid of everclear then scrape....how come when I do 140 I get crumble no goo

Dannoo93
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To be honest, I get the same results too. When I get around 140 I get a crumble/wax. I usually get a goo around ~170-180.

Dannoo93 said:
And what are the negatives of oil starting to decarb?

Dannoo93
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It's great for edibles and highly suggested! But for vaping, sadly it does kinda ruin the flavor by removing the terpens. When I do get goo, it really doesn't taste good to vape. It's okay though for edibles because other flavors mask the poopoo :)
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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when making shatter you purge like normal at about 115 and finish at room temp to harden..
over 130-140 kills it. this is the region most will talk about "perma goo".. nobody has ever suggested over these numbers..ever...and recognized by all....
some even get goo over 120 depending on strain
just look at the color of the hash and there's no question..
also at full vac thc is boiling below room temp (wellll below 140)
you can still get a "cookie" that looks like shit by heating till even that dark crap hardens, thc and cbn etc are both solid at room temp. (cbn has quite a bit higher melting point though)

properly nucleated hash is actually lighter in color than its non waxed counter part. and very clean hash will wax at room temp easily

I would love to see pics of that crumble you made like that. we could improve immensely if you just purged residuals instead of trying to speed the whole evap.. again, vapor pressures are non linear
 
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goalie

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shockys said:
After about 40 hours in the vacuum purger at room temp this is the final result: http://imgur.com/a/nZhZ6
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Hey bro how much did you run? A lot of the guys on another board (cant remember what the guys on here said right now) tell me when i do my small runs (i do 7-14g) that after water bath and scrape with heat and vac i should only need a few pulls of a few minutes each..now im wondering about that when you say you've let your vacuum pump run for 40 hours straight? Running the whole time?
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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my opinion is. why should it matter how much your running? My 60gram runs go like my 10gram runs..if you use a baking pan to make some brownies and you triple the recipe to feed your buddies do you add more pans? Or do you turn it into a cake? if you do that the inside doesnt cook as uniform especially at higher temps yea...might have to alter cooking times and temp etc..

I purge in thin film no matter how big the batch. my purge times are fairly consistent
 
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goalie

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qwizoking said:
my opinion is. why should it matter how much your running? My 60gram runs go like my 10gram runs..if you use a baking pan to make some brownies and you triple the recipe to feed your buddies do you add more pans? Or do you turn it into a cake? if you do that the inside doesnt cook as uniform especially at higher temps yea...might have to alter cooking times and temp etc.. I purge in thin film no matter how big the batch. my purge times are fairly consistent
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Well, in an oven with brownies you may not need to increase the temperature because its circulating heat all around, but for purging oil, wouldnt a larger run tend to mean a larger slab even if you spread it as thin as you could and therefore require more purging than a smaller very thin run?

What is the ideal purging tek? Once heated turn it on and let the vacuum run constantly till the desired result is achieved? Or purge for a few minutes, flip, and repeat and do this a few times? Everyone seems to have a tek that works best for them, i am just trying to find one that will work for me, and so far in 5-6 runs i feel like ive just wasted a lot of material (which im paying full price for) and am trying to get better so i can waste less :)
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Well, in an oven with brownies you may not need to increase the temperature because its circulating heat all around, but for purging oil, wouldnt a larger run tend to mean a larger slab even if you spread it as thin as you could and therefore require more purging than a smaller very thin run?


seriously? And no to the second part....should I have said steak instead? I thought that was pretty easy to get. if you dont increase depth the cooking time is the same for the most part...my point was, if you only have the materials or capabilities to run 10grams in thin film that's your limit, if you want to run more you need more space on that there grill for your steak..
people can debate whatever they like. I prefer to do things from a proper and scientific standpoint..
 
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goalie

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Yes i understand that the purging time will not change if everything else remains the same with the exception of the depth of the patty. Your opinion of "why should it matter how much your running" obviously is correct if patty depth remains the same. That being said, its interesting that he purged for 40+ hours for (what appears to be) under 1 gram, where many other folks, for example HMK mention under 1 hour start to finish when making under 6 grams of oil.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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if you notice the people that know what they are doing purge for much shorter periods than most..
graywolf I believe runs less than an hour for example as well
 
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goalie

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qwizoking said:
if you notice the people that know what they are doing purge for much shorter periods than most.. graywolf I believe runs less than an hour for example as well
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I do recall that! Which makes me wonder, what am i doing wrong that my product seems to not be fully purged after short periods of time? Is my pump shit? Is my chamber bunk? Do i need to flip more and heat gun the top to make it less hard? Am i not hot water bath purging enough ( i thought i was damnit) - so im just trying to figure out all the variables to make myself a proper medicine. :)
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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Ill ask a basic question first goalie.... how do you know your arent fully purged? Are you judging by bubbles? You do know there are 2 types of bubbles, solvent and decarb bubbles right? Ive seen some people say thete shit isnt purging when really they are partially decarbing and thats where the bubbles are coming from.
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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160 degrees for iso shatter? When making shatter from iso i prefer to do a no heat fan only evap for 24-36 hours. Then scrape up white/yellow powder/ crystal and heat at 100 til liquifies immediately remove from heat and slowly let it come to room temp. Get solid tasty iso shatter every timr
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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qwiso should give shatter more often than not (depending genetics and method) as its more polar..Im a big fan of iso
I still wouldn't recommend a double boil or temps like these. Yea it speeds things up.. but back to my steak reference, wouldn't you rather have some good moist meat that's been sitting on the grill all day..or is that just my Texan?

powder is where its at..
 
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goalie

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lio lacidem said:
Ill ask a basic question first goalie.... how do you know your arent fully purged? Are you judging by bubbles? You do know there are 2 types of bubbles, solvent and decarb bubbles right? Ive seen some people say thete shit isnt purging when really they are partially decarbing and thats where the bubbles are coming from.
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lio lacidem: when i had "shatter" and took a dab it sizzled a lot on my nail, so i thought "hm maybe its not purged properly" - so when i put this "shatter" back into the chamber and added some heat and vacuumed, it reacted, and bubbled. I was not aware there were two kinds of bubbles tho, thank you! How can i tell the difference? My heat is never over 115 and usually is around 105-110. How do i know when my shit is purged of butane then?
 
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