Schuylaar's Easter Weekend Sesh - Wal-Mart Workers Costs Taxpayers $2B

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
See? Please don't hate me...wooops too late, oh well.

The logic escapes me.

If ACA has a 30 hr restriction on hrs for health care, all under 30 hrs must be in the ACA pool, right?

So, we make the ACA for these under/not insured, yes?

Then you complain that the govt subsidy is higher, now? That we are taking care of the ones you wanted us to take care of and now you don't like it? Did you even think about it?

It seems you want it both ways, and as I understand it, this can occur in only, and in nothing else but, politics.

Politics if followed lock step, at the Party Level has no LOGIC. The News, itself is faulty.

ACA is outsourcing labor cost to govt, surely you see that. This article does. Or do you think ACA will fix this? Or is it that you want WalMart etc to be union shops?

You probably won't answer anyway, so what? Are you to swing back to the middle now?
Doer, there has ALWAYS been eligibility requirements of 25 or 30 hours to qualify for health..ALWAYS and has NOTHING to do with the ACA..

Your post is dumb and you keep harping on the same thing which has no relevance.

One more thing..if your employer wished to offer health for part-time workers they could choose to do so..however, they are employers and they choose NOT to.
 

Doer

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You certainly missed my point.

The heath care market for the 25-30 hrs has been dismantled, then replaced by the ACA, has it not?

The employers could before, yes, but the employers, did not, did they? Now they don't have to, do they? That is what ACA is. It was for this in the first place. So, now this is a gear up to blame Corporations for not providing heath care. That is what ACA was suppose to solve.

So, your post was about sucking up govt resources by the BAD CORPS, it just seems ironic.
These were the under-insured. It is the group the ACA serves. It is all ACA, but you don't see it. Maybe you think the ACA is not a spend of GOVT. It is all red ink. Tax dollars. Wha???

And it is because of the Partisan stance. Sure it all sounds the same to you from me. You are not really listening. Very funny. :)

So, I'm smart but the post was dumb. Nah. You choose to miss the point. It's OK.
 

tokeprep

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False, the idea of low wages also keeps those same employees purchasing from YOU..they are your employees AND your consumer..what could be better?

I've posted previously about Art Pope of North Carolina who does EXACTLY what Wal-mart does: http://www.artpopeexposed.com/
I literally just wrote that the misery of the employees far outweighed the gains by people who weren't employees. There aren't that many employees, relatively, which is why everyone else loves Walmart and shops there all the time, not caring about the cost to the taxpayer.

Why don't you focus on the shoppers' selfishness?
 

killemsoftly

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I'm always amazed at corporate welfare. It's shameful and hypocritical. there needs to be a balance between the needs/interests of corporations and the needs/interests of american citizens. why should a corportate citizen's needs trump the average persons? they are citizens too thanks to a certain supreme court justice who shall go nameless (spits on the ground in contempt). Murka is full of 'welfare' recipients. the question is: why are some hated and why are some 'sacred cows"
just a thought
 

Doer

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Evidently you need to go look up how many US troops there are and how many were deployed.
You know, when the people don't pay attention and the press goes along, Politics is no better than, 3 Card Monty or 3 Shells and a Pea, or something. Just a rip-off, no one can follow.

Obama bring the Military VOLUNTEERS home? He has not, All a lie. A big Flim Flam. Obama funds private armies of ex-military VOLUNTEERS, Is no one paying attention?

Why is there a difference if a President can lie about it, and pull a fast one? US Deaths in battle are still battle death of US citizens.

(I have neither condoned nor discovered the agenda or not, of this publication.)
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http://www.propublica.org/article/this-year-contractor-deaths-exceed-military-ones-in-iraq-and-afgh-100923
This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan
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These wars are not over. That was a lie. American are dying in droves. That is the truth of the Terror War, the PARTs ignore,

Gitmo is still open
Al Q is stronger than ever
Our heath system is overturned, for better or worse fingers crossed
IRS and EPA, BLM and DEA, on and on, have extend power of ass to hat, extra-legal regulations,

I will predict the ass to hat move this fall is the capture of the Benghazi 1, for the Press to blow everything off the front page with.

Some Presidents are more forthcoming. Some seem to be all about deception.
 

Winter Woman

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Doer, there has ALWAYS been eligibility requirements of 25 or 30 hours to qualify for health..ALWAYS and has NOTHING to do with the ACA..

Your post is dumb and you keep harping on the same thing which has no relevance.

One more thing..if your employer wished to offer health for part-time workers they could choose to do so..however, they are employers and they choose NOT to.
No. It used to be in Michigan that workers could qualify for health care at any hourly eligibility set by the employer. Not only that the employer determined how long you must work for them before you were eligible.
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
No. It used to be in Michigan that workers could qualify for health care at any hourly eligibility set by the employer. Not only that the employer determined how long you must work for them before you were eligible.
I offered health care to get a better quality worker. It did work. I paid more, gave more days vacation, health care and more personal time. I did explain when I hired someone the reason they were receiving more and more time than not they produced.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
You know, when the people don't pay attention and the press goes along, Politics is no better than, 3 Card Monty or 3 Shells and a Pea, or something. Just a rip-off, no one can follow.

Obama bring the Military VOLUNTEERS home? He has not, All a lie. A big Flim Flam. Obama funds private armies of ex-military VOLUNTEERS, Is no one paying attention?

Why is there a difference if a President can lie about it, and pull a fast one? US Deaths in battle are still battle death of US citizens.

(I have neither condoned nor discovered the agenda or not, of this publication.)
-----------------------
http://www.propublica.org/article/this-year-contractor-deaths-exceed-military-ones-in-iraq-and-afgh-100923
This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan
---------------------
These wars are not over. That was a lie. American are dying in droves. That is the truth of the Terror War, the PARTs ignore,

Gitmo is still open
Al Q is stronger than ever
Our heath system is overturned, for better or worse fingers crossed
IRS and EPA, BLM and DEA, on and on, have extend power of ass to hat, extra-legal regulations,

I will predict the ass to hat move this fall is the capture of the Benghazi 1, for the Press to blow everything off the front page with.

Some Presidents are more forthcoming. Some seem to be all about deception.
I offered health care to get a better quality worker. It did work. I paid more, gave more days vacation, health care and more personal time. I did explain when I hired someone the reason they were receiving more and more time than not they produced.
No. It used to be in Michigan that workers could qualify for health care at any hourly eligibility set by the employer. Not only that the employer determined how long you must work for them before you were eligible.
i've already said all this..do you not read the entire post?..if so, you both have terrible comprehension issues..i would have that checked out.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Walmart are great. They give the people what they want. Then you all bitch. It's democracy at its finest. For once it works. You liberal loons need to make up your mind. What you're telling me is you don't like democracy and want fascism?
 

killemsoftly

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Walmart are great. They give the people what they want. Then you all bitch. It's democracy at its finest. For once it works. You liberal loons need to make up your mind. What you're telling me is you don't like democracy and want fascism?
murka already has stong features of corporate fascism. when polled, americans want a strong social safety net. corporations
don't. hence the screaming about 'romney/obama care'. democracy is the aspiration not reality for americans
 

Canna Sylvan

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murka already has stong features of corporate fascism. when polled, americans want a strong social safety net. corporations
don't. hence the screaming about 'romney/obama care'. democracy is the aspiration not reality for americans
But then you'll have to get rid of things like Planned Parenthood, which will make people responsible. Or else, we pick and choose what we want government to do, and that becomes full on fascism. We don't have fascism right now, but we're working real hard to get there. When we the people make government get rid of Walmart, that brings more problems than solutions.
 

killemsoftly

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But then you'll have to get rid of things like Planned Parenthood, which will make people responsible. Or else, we pick and choose what we want government to do, and that becomes full on fascism. We don't have fascism right now, but we're working real hard to get there. When we the people make government get rid of Walmart, that brings more problems than solutions.
The average guy/gal could shut down wl-mart in a month. Stop shopping their. They exist for a reason. I wouldn't want govt to get rid of them. Govt picks 'winners' and 'losers' in the market too often. What needs to be done is to end corporate welfare, boost minimum wage and much more. If i were dictator for life the world would be a much better place. Markets work very well. They do, however, 'fail' all the time. The current screaming in us politics is about money. It is , however, deceptively wrapped up with terms like 'liberty', 'freedom', 'welfare', the deception seems to never end. It is a war over money, wrapped in ideology with no end in sight. Quite sad.
 

BigNBushy

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But then you'll have to get rid of things like Planned Parenthood, which will make people responsible. Or else, we pick and choose what we want government to do, and that becomes full on fascism. We don't have fascism right now, but we're working real hard to get there. When we the people make government get rid of Walmart, that brings more problems than solutions.
We don't need the government to get rid of walmart. The people should do it.

I have not been to a walmart in years, except when I got strung out and stole some things. But I have not given walmart one cent of my money since 2007.

If a sizable number of people stopped going there (except for shoplifting when they need a fix) then walmart would no longer be a problem.
 

Canna Sylvan

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The average guy/gal could shut down wl-mart in a month. Stop shopping their. They exist for a reason. I wouldn't want govt to get rid of them. Govt picks 'winners' and 'losers' in the market too often. What needs to be done is to end corporate welfare, boost minimum wage and much more.If i were dictator for life the world would be a much better place. Markets work very well. They do, however, 'fail' all the time. The current screaming in us politics is about money. It is , however, deceptively wrapped up with terms like 'liberty', 'freedom', 'welfare', the deception seems to never end. It is a war over money, wrapped in ideology with no end in sight. Quite sad.
You had me until there, so close. Trading corporate welfare for government welfare isn't the solution. If the free-rider syndrome didn't exist, then none of these would be problems anyway.
 

ProHuman

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People won't stop going to walmart.
The average american is pinching pennies, and lazy.
Walmart offers cheap stuff in a one stop shop.
Food, clothes, electronics, furniture, tools, gardening, etc.
.... it's all there at low cost!
 

killemsoftly

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You had me until there, so close. Trading corporate welfare for government welfare isn't the solution. If the free-rider syndrome didn't exist, then none of these would be problems anyway.
Minimum wage levels exist as a policy tool by govt because MARKETS FAIL. Why? Capital will consistently underpay. Setting a 'floor' price for labour is very useful. It reallocate 'dead' money and injects it into the economy. Without a floor price for labour that is reasonable the overall pie is smaller. Economics is a very useful prism through which one can understand a society and an economy.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Minimum wage levels exist as a policy tool by govt because MARKETS FAIL. Why? Capital will consistently underpay. Setting a 'floor' price for labour is very useful. It reallocate 'dead' money and injects it into the economy. Without a floor price for labour that is reasonable the overall pie is smaller. Economics is a very useful prism through which one can understand a society and an economy.
That only proves market capitalism isn't the solution.
 
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