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DenverGirl2

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Hey if one were to do a 4x4 1 plant perpetual scrog. 1 flower and 1 veg room. What is the least amount of light you could you use for the veg room? Let's say for example the strain needed to be moved to flower when 80 -90% of the screen is full and you have been vegging into the screen ( screen and everything on wheels). Could you get away with using a 400w mh to veg 80-90% of a 4x4 scrog? How about 250w mh with a kick ass hood? How about if you wanted this same 4x4 veg room to supply 2 4x4 flower rooms but still only use 1 400mh for veg? Could you just pack the 4x4 with more plants so that you don't have to fill up the screen 80-90% since more plants would cover the 4x4 in flower more quickly. For example have 4 plants in the 4x4 veg room instead of one. 2 plants for each flower room. Or maybe it would have to be more like 8? To use the least amount of light possible during veg would it be better to not train into the screen during veg but a few more taller plants and then when ready to flower, bend them over and throw a screen on? I'd really rather not run more than 400 in veg if I can get away with it and not sacrifice too much quality/yield.
 
yktind

yktind

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DenverGirl2 said:
Hey if one were to do a 4x4 1 plant perpetual scrog. 1 flower and 1 veg room. What is the least amount of light you could you use for the veg room? Let's say for example the strain needed to be moved to flower when 80 -90% of the screen is full and you have been vegging into the screen ( screen and everything on wheels). Could you get away with using a 400w mh to veg 80-90% of a 4x4 scrog? How about 250w mh with a kick ass hood? How about if you wanted this same 4x4 veg room to supply 2 4x4 flower rooms but still only use 1 400mh for veg? Could you just pack the 4x4 with more plants so that you don't have to fill up the screen 80-90% since more plants would cover the 4x4 in flower more quickly. For example have 4 plants in the 4x4 veg room instead of one. 2 plants for each flower room. Or maybe it would have to be more like 8? To use the least amount of light possible during veg would it be better to not train into the screen during veg but a few more taller plants and then when ready to flower, bend them over and throw a screen on? I'd really rather not run more than 400 in veg if I can get away with it and not sacrifice too much quality/yield.
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I have a 4' x 4' Tent and run a 600 watt Cool Tube. However I want to move up to 1000 w if that helps any. This is in flower BTW.

Veg I just have those 150w big boy CFLs. One on either side and alternate turning them on to reduce elec use. That and I don't really take care of my veg like I do in flower. As long as they come over to the flower room healthy and alive they are fine for me.
 
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DenverGirl2

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yktind said:
I have a 4' x 4' Tent and run a 600 watt Cool Tube. However I want to move up to 1000 w if that helps any. This is in flower BTW.

Veg I just have those 150w big boy CFLs. One on either side and alternate turning them on to reduce elec use. That and I don't really take care of my veg like I do in flower. As long as they come over to the flower room healthy and alive they are fine for me.
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Have you ever used a MH for veg? I keep reading they give much thicker stems and shorter internodes than cfls for veg which makes more branching for scrog. I also read thicker stems equate to bigger buds since the sturdier branches can support them, the plants knows it can put more energy into it. Maybe this is different in a scrog setting since the cfl's don't have to penetrate so far away when growing a flat plant. If I knew that i could get just as much yield and of the same quality using cfls with fewer watts I would go with them even if that meant having to put yo yos up to support them.
 
yktind

yktind

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DenverGirl2 said:
Have you ever used a MH for veg? I keep reading they give much thicker stems and shorter internodes than cfls for veg which makes more branching for scrog. I also read thicker stems equate to bigger buds since the sturdier branches can support them, the plants knows it can put more energy into it. Maybe this is different in a scrog setting since the cfl's don't have to penetrate so far away when growing a flat plant. If I knew that i could get just as much yield and of the same quality using cfls with fewer watts I would go with them even if that meant having to put yo yos up to support them.
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Logically that sounds right. A wider river can flow more water (River = Stalks, I guess)

Never used a MH though. And yes I do have problems with the stems not being able to support the colas. But I have the second screen now and that should fix that.
 
OscarLaGrouch

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DenverGirl2 said:
Have you ever used a MH for veg? I keep reading they give much thicker stems and shorter internodes than cfls for veg which makes more branching for scrog. I also read thicker stems equate to bigger buds since the sturdier branches can support them, the plants knows it can put more energy into it. Maybe this is different in a scrog setting since the cfl's don't have to penetrate so far away when growing a flat plant. If I knew that i could get just as much yield and of the same quality using cfls with fewer watts I would go with them even if that meant having to put yo yos up to support them.
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hey denver girl
Im from Denver. I had the same curiosity about MH for veg. My understanding is they give more cool spectrum light. I surmise that this is much like spring and summer sunlight. Maybe that spectrum fattens branches and produces leaves. Someday i will try them for veg again with more attention to the effects. Let me know what you find out
 
OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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Can u please explain the quarantine zone? Fascinated. I would prefer better prevention to putting out fires.
m3d1c1n3man said:
i wonder if they consume their own product.

pesticides shouldn't even be necessary in an ideal grow. all cracks sealed and intake venting through a hepa filter with a "quarantine" zone before the grower entrance.
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OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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I have been using a scrog for a few years. I still have a lot to master. However i am OCD and i tuck everything constantly. If its long enough it stays under and if its too short, i let it grow a few days and tuck it where i have space. My issue has to do with timing the flip for a given strain. I have been flipping too early lately. I think.
Squidbilly said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you should tuck everything. When something pops up, you tuck it in an empty space of your screen and try to fill the screen evenly.

Have you tucked anything yet? Or did you just throw a screen ontop of your girls before you switched to 12/12? I'm curious, this is my first scrog and I thought the plan was to train your girls in veg to fill the screen, then flip?
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OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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LMAO. are we growing budz or are we growing leaves?
Squidbilly said:
It's going to take a lot of convincing to make me believe it's bad to remove leaves, I always tell people to look at people doing scrog and maximizing their space indoors. I'd rather have a screen of coals then a bunch a fan leaves anyday. Looking AWESOME
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m3d1c1n3man

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OscarLaGrouch said:
Can u please explain the quarantine zone? Fascinated. I would prefer better prevention to putting out fires.
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well just look at how they do it in labs and the movies, etc. basically there would be at least 1, or even better 2, small rooms before the grow room entrance door, and you would just "sterilize" yourself in the room.

so ideally you would probably have 2 rooms that must be traveled through to enter the grow room. the first room would have a shower and the second room would have clean clothes and even better some kind of sterilization spray. anyways, i don't know about all the details i just know it can be done as it is done in many labs around the world.

not sure what any of this has to do with fires...
 
Squidbilly

Squidbilly

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DenverGirl2 said:
Hey if one were to do a 4x4 1 plant perpetual scrog. 1 flower and 1 veg room. What is the least amount of light you could you use for the veg room? Let's say for example the strain needed to be moved to flower when 80 -90% of the screen is full and you have been vegging into the screen ( screen and everything on wheels). Could you get away with using a 400w mh to veg 80-90% of a 4x4 scrog? How about 250w mh with a kick ass hood? How about if you wanted this same 4x4 veg room to supply 2 4x4 flower rooms but still only use 1 400mh for veg? Could you just pack the 4x4 with more plants so that you don't have to fill up the screen 80-90% since more plants would cover the 4x4 in flower more quickly. For example have 4 plants in the 4x4 veg room instead of one. 2 plants for each flower room. Or maybe it would have to be more like 8? To use the least amount of light possible during veg would it be better to not train into the screen during veg but a few more taller plants and then when ready to flower, bend them over and throw a screen on? I'd really rather not run more than 400 in veg if I can get away with it and not sacrifice too much quality/yield.
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Here is my advice about using a mh in your situation...do it! If your trying to fill a 4x4 area 80-90% before you flip to flower one 400w mh will out perform cfls or t5s, especially with one big plant. You can fill a 4x4 screen in less then 2 months with a 400w mh hung nice and high and not in your way, or you could have a million cfls, or you could have a 4'x8 tube t5 AND a 4'x4 tube t5(yes two big and expensive t5 fixtures to fill that 4x4 space and even come close to competing with a single MH)> the one 400wmh will blow away the cfls and t5s as far as growth and vigor go, in fact with one plant your gonna have a hell of time actually being perpetual in your set up without a mh. If you were growing a bunch of shorter plants, SOG style, then t5 would work.
 
OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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m3d1c1n3man said:
well just look at how they do it in labs and the movies, etc. basically there would be at least 1, or even better 2, small rooms before the grow room entrance door, and you would just "sterilize" yourself in the room.

so ideally you would probably have 2 rooms that must be traveled through to enter the grow room. the first room would have a shower and the second room would have clean clothes and even better some kind of sterilization spray. anyways, i don't know about all the details i just know it can be done as it is done in many labs around the world.

not sure what any of this has to do with fires...
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I should have been more specific. I get the concept of the quarantine space because I have such a space to prevent light leaks between rooms and I have worked in labs. what I want is some inspector gadget shit to fog me with anti pollen anti microbial anti insect but totally harmless to mammals. a dark quarantine sterilizing shower, basically.
what organics could you use to accomplish this?
pyrithrins and some anti microbial, right?

Agent 99 / 007
 
OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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Squidbilly said:
or you could have a million cfls, or you could have a 4'x8 tube t5 AND a 4'x4 tube t5(yes two big and expensive t5 fixtures to fill that 4x4 space and even come close to competing with a single MH)> .
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yeah those are $200 each. they work great for nursery lighting.
 
Squidbilly

Squidbilly

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OscarLaGrouch said:
yeah those are $200 each. they work great for nursery lighting.
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T5s are great but I question anyone who compares them to HID bulbs. A 4'x8bulb t5 is easily $200+ and only covers a 4'x3'area(almost) with very little light penetration, so once the plants are over 6-10" they don't really encourage any lateral branching unless you really lean your plants over lst style, then same thing, once all your branches are almost a foot tall, barely any light penetrates the canopy.

I can hang my 600w mh 2'above plants and cover a 5'x5' area EASY creating super short vigorous plants with nice tight node spacing that easily outpace any plants grown under ANY t5 fixture. The growth rate isn't even close.
 
Squidbilly

Squidbilly

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Now, t5s actually come in handy for some people doing perpetual BECAUSE they don't grow as fast as under a HID buld. That is also something to consider.

With one plant trying to fill a 4x4 area in less then 2 months(approx flower time of most strains give or take) with cfls or t5s is going to be close to impossible.
 
Squidbilly

Squidbilly

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In fact, I don't know if I could fill a 4x4 screen 80-90% in less then two months with anything less then 600watts, either cfl, t5, or HID.

It's taken me almost 1.5 months from seed with a 600w mh and 9 plants in 3gal containers to do that, not to mention some extensive daily training, tying down, and lst.
 
OscarLaGrouch

OscarLaGrouch

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You'll get no argument from me. I just use them in my veg room for cuts

Squidbilly said:
In fact, I don't know if I could fill a 4x4 screen 80-90% in less then two months with anything less then 600watts, either cfl, t5, or HID.

It's taken me almost 1.5 months from seed with a 600w mh and 9 plants in 3gal containers to do that, not to mention some extensive daily training, tying down, and lst.
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