Area 51Rw75+260W cfl grow, Candy Cane and low flyer updates!

beastbub

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Hey rollupers! Just doing a quick update here!mj1.jpgmj2.jpg mj3.jpg mj4.jpg mj5.jpg
The one with a bear sticker is the Candy cane at her day 22
The one with frog is the low flyer at day 20
Are they growing too slow?
Had a nute burn not long ago, transplanted them in lower concentrition soil
Do they still look burned?
Any sigh of defiency and under watered??
Any suggestion is appreaciated!
THX!
 

beastbub

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I mean the one with the blue mushroom... not frog... wake n bake getting me a bit loose here :D
 

duudical

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Hey rollupers! Just doing a quick update here!View attachment 3151103View attachment 3151104 View attachment 3151106 View attachment 3151107 View attachment 3151108
The one with a bear sticker is the Candy cane at her day 22
The one with frog is the low flyer at day 20
Are they growing too slow?
Had a nute burn not long ago, transplanted them in lower concentrition soil
Do they still look burned?
Any sigh of defiency and under watered??
Any suggestion is appreaciated!
THX!
Dude, they look great to me! I don't see any indication of any issues. Great structure and good stalk width at this point if you as me. If you think you burned them they might have taken break to recover, but nothing that will last so I won't worry about it. Believe me, I have done way, way worse and had them come right back and forgive me. Just keep giving them what they ask for and they will please you for sure :)

What kind of soil are you using and what size pots are those? Also, what nutes are you feeding them?

As far am my experience goes, I think they look perfect for 20-22 days from seed. During this time they are really developing a healthy root system. We like to see all that stuff up top, but down below is the most important focus of the veg (especially early veg) cycle. You can certainly help this with products like Root Excelurator (super expensive, but it does work, I've used a bottle of it) or Black Label Root Enhance (my recommendation because it didn't seem to underperform compared to RE and it was like 45% the price), but in my experience the best thing for this is Compost Tea and Mycorrizae (root inoculant, I use Orca because it is liquid, but you could use literally anything in soil, there are lots of powders, etc that are cheap as hell to buy). They have made a huge impact for me in this respect. Grab the compost tea in a box (the 20 gal box is about $30 and would last you a long time, it will cover 4 acres of land when diluted according to the box). I make about 3 gallons of concentrate a week and then feed them with a 16oz solo-cupful per gallon of water (way stronger than their typical dilution rate, but you can go full strength no problem). It's not food, but rather microbes that the plants actually spend energy they create during photosynthesis creating sugars that they excrete into the ground to attract due to the symbiotic relationship they have. This is why you hear people talk about adding molasses an other sugars to their waterings. The plants can't take in sugar, it is only useful to them because it draws these microbes (they exist in the ground after billions of years of rotting dead things and the crap of all life on the planet ever). They eat the sugar which leads to immense reproduction. Keep feeding them and they will keep living and multiplying. So, adding molasses provides a food source so the microbes can live and reproduce and go to work keeping your ladies in optimum shape. They colonize the root zone and begin to break down elements and nutrients in the soil, the byproduct of which is a form more absorbable by the plants increasing nutrient uptake and usability which = faster growth that is inline with the plants genetic potential. You can't burn your plants with them (unless you add a shit ton of nutes...but it would still be the overdose of N-P-K, etc that burns them, not the microbes) or over do it really, but a little goes a long way as there are billions of them in a ml of the concentrated tea. The first time I used it, I just put a solo cup full in each plants media and in the hydro buckets. They didn't hate it, they even seemed to like it, but I didn't notice anything extraordinary to be honest. But the guys at my local shop said try it for 6 weeks. So I did the same thing and added a second treatment with the tea the next week. Holy shit! Overnight impact. I run it in my cloner as well - keeps the roots so white and hairy and thick (ha ha, sounds like a Wal Mart centerfold calendar :) ).

I grow in all hydro and soilless media, so I have started using the compost tea as the water for my nutes when feedings line up with when I brew a new batch. In soil, you could just hit them with tea for most your waterings, only adding light nutes every once in a while as the plant indicates that the soil-bound nutrients are starting to wane.

Making it is a cinch. I use a 5 gallon bucket, an air pump/stone and just follow the directions. Let it run overnight and you will have foamy, gnarly, tea made of shit.

Give that to your ladies and you will see them rebound from anything you might have overdone and blast forward for you. Give it a shot, you might see some great results.

Oh, and definitely get your hands on the Heavy 16 Foliar and do that every 5 days. I can't recommend this enough. It has Cal, Mag and other things that plants tend to see some deficiencies in due to soil and water qualities, etc. Great for helping them rebound from stress and transplanting. I would let them get about 4-5 nodes high first, but even little plants haven't had any issues.

Anyway, I think your plants look great. I wouldn't sweat anything and just remember to always dial back a little on what you think they need. If they still need a little you can add some, but overdoing it can set you back a little.

You're doing awesome.
 

beastbub

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Dude, they look great to me! I don't see any indication of any issues. Great structure and good stalk width at this point if you as me. If you think you burned them they might have taken break to recover, but nothing that will last so I won't worry about it. Believe me, I have done way, way worse and had them come right back and forgive me. Just keep giving them what they ask for and they will please you for sure :)

What kind of soil are you using and what size pots are those? Also, what nutes are you feeding them?

As far am my experience goes, I think they look perfect for 20-22 days from seed. During this time they are really developing a healthy root system. We like to see all that stuff up top, but down below is the most important focus of the veg (especially early veg) cycle. You can certainly help this with products like Root Excelurator (super expensive, but it does work, I've used a bottle of it) or Black Label Root Enhance (my recommendation because it didn't seem to underperform compared to RE and it was like 45% the price), but in my experience the best thing for this is Compost Tea and Mycorrizae (root inoculant, I use Orca because it is liquid, but you could use literally anything in soil, there are lots of powders, etc that are cheap as hell to buy). They have made a huge impact for me in this respect. Grab the compost tea in a box (the 20 gal box is about $30 and would last you a long time, it will cover 4 acres of land when diluted according to the box). I make about 3 gallons of concentrate a week and then feed them with a 16oz solo-cupful per gallon of water (way stronger than their typical dilution rate, but you can go full strength no problem). It's not food, but rather microbes that the plants actually spend energy they create during photosynthesis creating sugars that they excrete into the ground to attract due to the symbiotic relationship they have. This is why you hear people talk about adding molasses an other sugars to their waterings. The plants can't take in sugar, it is only useful to them because it draws these microbes (they exist in the ground after billions of years of rotting dead things and the crap of all life on the planet ever). They eat the sugar which leads to immense reproduction. Keep feeding them and they will keep living and multiplying. So, adding molasses provides a food source so the microbes can live and reproduce and go to work keeping your ladies in optimum shape. They colonize the root zone and begin to break down elements and nutrients in the soil, the byproduct of which is a form more absorbable by the plants increasing nutrient uptake and usability which = faster growth that is inline with the plants genetic potential. You can't burn your plants with them (unless you add a shit ton of nutes...but it would still be the overdose of N-P-K, etc that burns them, not the microbes) or over do it really, but a little goes a long way as there are billions of them in a ml of the concentrated tea. The first time I used it, I just put a solo cup full in each plants media and in the hydro buckets. They didn't hate it, they even seemed to like it, but I didn't notice anything extraordinary to be honest. But the guys at my local shop said try it for 6 weeks. So I did the same thing and added a second treatment with the tea the next week. Holy shit! Overnight impact. I run it in my cloner as well - keeps the roots so white and hairy and thick (ha ha, sounds like a Wal Mart centerfold calendar :) ).

I grow in all hydro and soilless media, so I have started using the compost tea as the water for my nutes when feedings line up with when I brew a new batch. In soil, you could just hit them with tea for most your waterings, only adding light nutes every once in a while as the plant indicates that the soil-bound nutrients are starting to wane.

Making it is a cinch. I use a 5 gallon bucket, an air pump/stone and just follow the directions. Let it run overnight and you will have foamy, gnarly, tea made of shit.

Give that to your ladies and you will see them rebound from anything you might have overdone and blast forward for you. Give it a shot, you might see some great results.

Oh, and definitely get your hands on the Heavy 16 Foliar and do that every 5 days. I can't recommend this enough. It has Cal, Mag and other things that plants tend to see some deficiencies in due to soil and water qualities, etc. Great for helping them rebound from stress and transplanting. I would let them get about 4-5 nodes high first, but even little plants haven't had any issues.

Anyway, I think your plants look great. I wouldn't sweat anything and just remember to always dial back a little on what you think they need. If they still need a little you can add some, but overdoing it can set you back a little.

You're doing awesome.
Oh wow thx so much man!
They are autos so i m leaving em on 20-4 light cycle
I havnt feed ANYTHING as of yet... they are in 3 gal smart pots and I have em in 70% organic fish soil, 20% perlite and 10% moss/coco mixture.
I have fox farm tiger bloom and big bloom but i m not sure if i should start to feed
Should i start feeding even though they dont show any difficiency o_O?
Thx again for the reply my friend!
 

duudical

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Oh wow thx so much man!
They are autos so i m leaving em on 20-4 light cycle
I havnt feed ANYTHING as of yet... they are in 3 gal smart pots and I have em in 70% organic fish soil, 20% perlite and 10% moss/coco mixture.
I have fox farm tiger bloom and big bloom but i m not sure if i should start to feed
Should i start feeding even though they dont show any difficiency o_O?
Thx again for the reply my friend!
Sounds like a good line up. My very first grow was La Diva (an auto from Delicious seeds). You might find that 18/6 will have them finish sooner than 20/4, but I could totally be wrong - I by no means am experience in auto flowering strains. If they are green and producing leaves and looking like they're happy, I would just keep doing what you are doing. Sine you have the perlite and coco in there, you will probably get to where you will need to feed them soon. Give them a watering like you are doing, and then maybe add some very light strength nutes on the next one (like no more than 50% of the recommended dosage on the bottle, 25% even better) and see how they do. You want a green that is darker on the older growth (the new growth is always lighter as it emerges, but should darken up as they fully developed due to the available nutrients in the media) - so if the whole thing is lighter, you might want to start giving them a little bit with each watering and ratchet it up slowly to see where the sweet spot is at. If you start light and move up carefully, you won't hurt them. It's a plant - and a super resilient one at that. I have done some amazingly dumbass things to mine. I have killed plants. I have mutated and maimed them. Seriously. What you are doing, is just fine. Just watch them and push them carefully and you will very quickly get to where you just know what to do as far as feeding and whatnot.
 

beastbub

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Sounds like a good line up. My very first grow was La Diva (an auto from Delicious seeds). You might find that 18/6 will have them finish sooner than 20/4, but I could totally be wrong - I by no means am experience in auto flowering strains. If they are green and producing leaves and looking like they're happy, I would just keep doing what you are doing. Sine you have the perlite and coco in there, you will probably get to where you will need to feed them soon. Give them a watering like you are doing, and then maybe add some very light strength nutes on the next one (like no more than 50% of the recommended dosage on the bottle, 25% even better) and see how they do. You want a green that is darker on the older growth (the new growth is always lighter as it emerges, but should darken up as they fully developed due to the available nutrients in the media) - so if the whole thing is lighter, you might want to start giving them a little bit with each watering and ratchet it up slowly to see where the sweet spot is at. If you start light and move up carefully, you won't hurt them. It's a plant - and a super resilient one at that. I have done some amazingly dumbass things to mine. I have killed plants. I have mutated and maimed them. Seriously. What you are doing, is just fine. Just watch them and push them carefully and you will very quickly get to where you just know what to do as far as feeding and whatnot.
Ok! Haha i ll start feeding next week i guess.
Yea i have em on 20/4 but i also heard they say 16/8 would be faster, i just want to give max light as possible when veging. I think i ll go 16/8 when its flowering!

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beastbub

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12/12 for flowering man
EVEN for AUTOS??? They havnt begin to flower yet
My thinking is that they need as much light as possible to soak up during veg and once they want to flower i ll shorten the time to 12/12?
Or maybe 18/6? 16/8?
They say TRUE Autos flower with 24/0 but i havnt tried that yet :P
 

Penshnii

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Yeah autos will flower under any lighting conditions, its all based on how old they are.
I would use either 18/6 or 20/4. I believe that they should get some shut eye :p aha
12/12 for autos would drastically affect your yield.

Autos are awesome because you can constantly have plants growing under one lighting schedule flowering and vegging, harvesting every couple of weeks, awesome right??
 

beastbub

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Yeah autos will flower under any lighting conditions, its all based on how old they are.
I would use either 18/6 or 20/4. I believe that they should get some shut eye :p aha
12/12 for autos would drastically affect your yield.

Autos are awesome because you can constantly have plants growing under one lighting schedule flowering and vegging, harvesting every couple of weeks, awesome right??
yea thats one reason why i started with auto :D you dont have to worry the light cycle works for one but bothers the others when you only have one room to grow ( like you dont have two roooms one for veg and one for flower)
 

beastbub

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How things going Bub?
pretty good pretty good :P
girls been exploding fast
getting that skunky smell, turns out they have some ak47 bloodline in em
I ll do a update after i water em tomorrow :D

btw how often should i water?
I hear you should poke finger in the soil and if its dry to half thumb deep then its time to water but when i measure like this its always dry but girls dont seem to be having an issue.
I m just really scared of over waterin :O

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duudical

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pretty good pretty good :P
girls been exploding fast
getting that skunky smell, turns out they have some ak47 bloodline in em
I ll do a update after i water em tomorrow :D

btw how often should i water?
I hear you should poke finger in the soil and if its dry to half thumb deep then its time to water but when i measure like this its always dry but girls dont seem to be having an issue.
I m just really scared of over waterin :O

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Yeah, definitely let them dry out pretty good. I would lift the pots as well and get a feeling for what dry feels like weight-wise. You want to let them get good and dry, but not wilting yet - so it may not be bone dry, but the finger test you suggested will be dry and the pot should feel light. As they grow and develop more significant root systems, they will take a lot less time to drink up a watering.
 

beastbub

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Yeah, definitely let them dry out pretty good. I would lift the pots as well and get a feeling for what dry feels like weight-wise. You want to let them get good and dry, but not wilting yet - so it may not be bone dry, but the finger test you suggested will be dry and the pot should feel light. As they grow and develop more significant root systems, they will take a lot less time to drink up a watering.
Ah noted!
I just watered and fed em.
I ll let em soak up and do an update tonight
man have they been growing fast!
:P

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beastbub

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Yeah, definitely let them dry out pretty good. I would lift the pots as well and get a feeling for what dry feels like weight-wise. You want to let them get good and dry, but not wilting yet - so it may not be bone dry, but the finger test you suggested will be dry and the pot should feel light. As they grow and develop more significant root systems, they will take a lot less time to drink up a watering.
Hey there! https://www.rollitup.org/t/candy-cane-lowflyer-side-by-side-grow-area-51-led-and-250w-cfl.829328/
Link to the update :P
 
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