What LED to get?

[~Dankster~420]

I like the LED system I have now allot. It is a Budzilla. Although I have had some issues out of it in the past (ballast went out) I would have to say its out did itself. The Co went out of business. I had received it brand new free of charge for doing a side by side study of LED VS HPS systems a few years back.

 

[stardustsailor]

Well TY.. I really like the bonsai look that option A produced. Where I do allot of breeding & run plants a tad faster then usual that would work out perfect for me. you can describe the (Santa 's coming on a jet-ski !!
Do you want me to describe the bikini / minikini wearing 8'5" 'elves' ? ) if you'd like still haha Naw but seriously thanks. I was wondering what to go with, and didnt want to get burnt on a high priced system that really didn't produce good results/or results I wouldn't be happy with. Had a buddy that wanted to purchase a bunch of those real cheap China made LED systems, I had to stop him from doing so (waist of $). I would say one of their systems would be ok on a few seedlings. Dang things (Chinese systems) dont last long at all.

Go with the Han's and you won't regret it .
Remember that those slim panels can produce ,some unbelievable high yields of high quality herb ,specially
in 2D cultivation (Scrog ,Sog ,Vertical ,topped & trained ,etc ... )

Remember to spread out that power (they are high efficient led panels .Raw light power.Do not look at diodes.
Specially the blue ones . ). Surface .Use surface and those panels and you can forget for many years any worries about
light,electricity,safet,etc ....

One of the few best choices for the buck .
Needs space.Much power .
Or multiple smaller grow 'sites' . Space ,again.

 

[stardustsailor]

I like the LED system I have now allot. It is a Budzilla. Although I have had some issues out of it in the past (ballast went out) I would have to say its out did itself. The Co went out of business. I had received it brand new free of charge for doing a side by side study of LED VS HPS systems a few years back.

This one ? :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-GrowLight-BudZilla-288-288-W-output-mixed-spectrum-/171239428288?nma=true&si=l5mpASMujWpCwIvJcM5uhWR9p8I%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

???/

If yes .....
Oh ...again ....



I hope you're
1) legal (you have a huge EMI 'signature' coming out from your home';s AC line ,my brother ,
if not a RFI sig along ,which BTW might be 'buzzing' at passing airplanes ......)

2) You have insuranced your house against fire/electrical hazard ...

3)have fire extinguishers at least if not insurance...

LOL !

 

[~Dankster~420]

No. Mine was made special. It double the size of that one.

This one ? :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-GrowLight-BudZilla-288-288-W-output-mixed-spectrum-/171239428288?nma=true&si=l5mpASMujWpCwIvJcM5uhWR9p8I%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

???/

If yes .....
Oh ...again ....



I hope you're
1) legal (you have a huge EMI 'signature' coming out from your home';s AC line ,my brother ,
if not a RFI sig along ,which BTW might be 'buzzing' at passing airplanes ......)

2) You have insuranced your house against fire/electrical hazard ...

3)have fire extinguishers at least if not insurance...

LOL !

 

[~Dankster~420]

Yup. Sure do. Like said though been using for around 2 years without any issues other then replacing the ballast. Whats this signal your talking about? Of course Im legal. lol

This one ? :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-GrowLight-BudZilla-288-288-W-output-mixed-spectrum-/171239428288?nma=true&si=l5mpASMujWpCwIvJcM5uhWR9p8I%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

???/

If yes .....
Oh ...again ....



I hope you're
1) legal (you have a huge EMI 'signature' coming out from your home';s AC line ,my brother ,
if not a RFI sig along ,which BTW might be 'buzzing' at passing airplanes ......)

2) You have insuranced your house against fire/electrical hazard ...

3)have fire extinguishers at least if not insurance...

LOL !

 

[Rooster99]

Yup. Sure do. Like said though been using for around 2 years without any issues other then replacing the ballast. Whats this signal your talking about? Of course Im legal. lol

He is referring to some cheaper led panels using uncertified drivers that may produce EMI. Decent led drivers (does not have to be expensive - the 50w fasttech drivers are around $10 and is emi protected) will prevent EMI from being emitted. This is a big deal because EMI can interfere with power infrastructure, can affect airlines and can also ruin TV/radio reception for those around you. SDS mentioned in another thread that someone he knew was busted because the EMI was messing with peoples TV reception and they traced it back to the grow. In places like the USA you could also be violating laws regarding broadcasting by the FCC if I am not mistaken. I am not from the US so take the FCC part with a grain of salt. Basically EMI broadcasts (for miles around potentially) the fact that you are growing, and if a telco or power company is being negatively effected then they will have no problem locating it and passing the info to the fuzz.

 

[stardustsailor]

He is referring to some cheaper led panels using uncertified drivers that may produce EMI. Decent led drivers (does not have to be expensive - the 50w fasttech drivers are around $10 and is emi protected) will prevent EMI from being emitted. This is a big deal because EMI can interfere with power infrastructure, can affect airlines and can also ruin TV/radio reception for those around you. SDS mentioned in another thread that someone he knew was busted because the EMI was messing with peoples TV reception and they traced it back to the grow. In places like the USA you could also be violating laws regarding broadcasting by the FCC if I am not mistaken. I am not from the US so take the FCC part with a grain of salt. Basically EMI broadcasts (for miles around potentially) the fact that you are growing, and if a telco or power company is being negatively effected then they will have no problem locating it and passing the info to the fuzz.

Exactly ...In fact EMI protection does not increase the production cost/retail price much..
(Few passive components needed only ...)

Bravo !

Cheers


..But quite often you can find ,plenty of EMI unfiltered/ unprotected CC led drivers ...
Ussually the very cheap ,'no-name' ones ...Not all of them....But plenty enough ...

Worst case scenario is a "floating-ground" EMI unprotected CC led driver ....
A powerful 'ripple noise ' transmitter ...
A 'beacon' ,right in the middle of your grow !

...A 'siren' calling ...other ....'sirens' ...
Shit ..Not good ..

 

[PetFlora]

Hmmmmm.....A51, Hans and Apache leds are all pretty highly reccomended - and proven!. Just a little FYI about those BMLs that Petflora is sellig - Only one grow on RUI (that i know of) so far and they harvested <100grams (pretty average...possibly less than average perfomance)...........sooooo I'm not sure if I would be willing to drop $1000 on something like that when there are proven perfomers out there as well.
Of course your best bang for buck is a DIY job, but if it is not for you then I would go with something that you know will work....

Hold on

Not that I disagree, we do need to wait and see

He (Bricksquad) does not grow Donkey Dicks, so yield is relative.

Plus he bought their standard flowering light

According to FedX my custom SPYDR will be here Thursday.

Depending on what time (the bars showed up after 6pm), I will get it up by Friday morning

 

[Chronikool]

Exactly ...In fact EMI protection does not increase the production cost/retail price much..
(Few passive components needed only ...)

Bravo !

Cheers


..But quite often you can find ,plenty of EMI unfiltered/ unprotected CC led drivers ...
Ussually the very cheap ,'no-name' ones ...Not all of them....But plenty enough ...

Worst case scenario is a "floating-ground" EMI unprotected CC led driver ....
A powerful 'ripple noise ' transmitter ...
A 'beacon' ,right in the middle of your grow !

...A 'siren' calling ...other ....'sirens' ...
Shit ..Not good ..

Speaking of passive components....thoughts on these SDS? (for existing systems)

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-TDK-Snap-On-RF-EMI-Noise-Filter-Ferrite-Cable-5mm-2733/1474304236.html

 

[stardustsailor]

Speaking of passive components....thoughts on these SDS? (for existing systems)

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-TDK-Snap-On-RF-EMI-Noise-Filter-Ferrite-Cable-5mm-2733/1474304236.html

For a lot of 10pcs ,price is very good .
I get one of those for 1-2 Euros ,($1.4-$3 ) here at local electronics stores ...

Don't forget to wrap once or twice the wire around the ferrite ,before snap -secure .

(Actually ferrite is the 'core ' of an 'inductor',the wrapped wire forms..
A low-pass filter !!! )


Use ferrites mainly on AC lines , digital data lines ,pwm signal lines ,or DC carrying long wires.
(Actually feriites are quite expensive passive components... )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_bead

 

[Chronikool]

But they would work? And they just clip over any cord or does it have to be cut?

 

[stardustsailor]

Yes ,they do filter plenty of noise/EMI actually ...
No need to cut any wire..


Make a 'loop' or two with the wire ,

put the loop(s) in the ferrite (at the half part of it /open wide )

,
tight the loop(s) and snap / close the ferrite ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4203077.stm

(Ferrites can handle powerful mobile MHz frequencies ,with ease !!...
Very good on suppressing RFI of /from wiring !! )

 

[PSUAGRO.]

^^^^ I have those and use them btw

 

[Chronikool]

^^^^ I have those and use them btw

Thanks...i wont be getting any now...

 

[stardustsailor]

I use salvaged ferrite cores from pcb inductors ...
Same thing ...
(I'm usually salvaging plenty of those ...)

The light blue bead/ring is a ferrite core from a small through-hole pcb inductor ...
(AC line 'leaving' Circuit Breaker )

At rear panel,you see a bright-yellow colored ferrite bead (salvaged from a larger inductor ) ...(Ac line going to SSR )


And for 'educational /informative " reasons :
Different types of ferrite beads /inductor cores





-Shown with small red arrow is a ferrite for the pin(s) of a through-hole component!
(Yes ,actually is placed on a i.e. pin of a resistor ,before resistor is soldered to pcb !
In some applications ,even single -certain components (usually transistors/ Mosfets) have to be EMI/RFI -shielded ! )

-Shown with large red arrow is the common magnetically shielded ,top-quality inductor
(RadiOhm ) ,I use for my switching voltage regulators ..( 10 A / 80uH )
....

-A flat data wire ferrite ,some large AC line ferrites and some salvaged inductors ,still with their
coil wire wrapping ...

All these ferrites can be used as EMI/RFI filtering-shielding of/for wires .

 

[keebo3000]

ahh i see. Im very curious in the canopy pentration. I have 7 feet to work with minus a foot almost for filter. I know the CLW puts out decent ass umoles (1389) at 18 in and 2570 at 12 in. except they might burn at 12 in lol especially the 440 compared to old one. I am getting popcorn buds though do to lack of penetration. This is why im interested in other lights. Still gonna finish grow with 440 and see how well the 5 or 6 band spectrum works compared to less spectrum with lenses. How many bands is the area51RW? anybody know?
I also wanna put these uvb's to the test. Which brings me to another thing, if i go area51 or apache, i would love to still supplement uvb light.
As for the apaches, don't they have to be farther away because of the small lenses?



i know you love your A51 how quiet is yours? and how hot is it? the metal on my clw gets on verge of too warm if temps are 88.
Im also curious how loud the at200 is. i calculated it out and if i got 2 at200's and an rw75 id be a lil over 2200 out. If i just got 7 or 8 RW 75 id be out 2000 exact. quite a difference. and hell of an investment either way! coverage would be diff for sure.

edit: plus uvb lights! smh.

unfortunatley clw will not fix your popcorn issue...contrary to popular belief 5watt leds are less efficient than 3w best lights out there are the Hydro grow Extreme X2 series..Hands down.

 

[Rooster99]

unfortunatley clw will not fix your popcorn issue...contrary to popular belief 5watt leds are less efficient than 3w best lights out there are the Hydro grow Extreme X2 series..Hands down. View attachment 3157679 View attachment 3157680

Isn't that the brand of light that was ripping off its customers and being a horrible product/company in general?
cammie mckenzie is a name you should Google. I always tell people to buy and use whatever you want, but saying this is the best light out there is misinformed at best and downright dishonest at worst. Choose carefully.

 

[Roscko]

I just picked up a Apollo Horticulture 135w UFO from amazon. Says it uses 3w epistar chips, so I'm hoping it will be suitable for one plant.
There's great reviews for it on amazon and its said it works as good as the Lighthouse Hydro Blackstar 135w but for a better price.
Its only a 2x2 space so I think it should do fine to replace my cfls.
What are some of your thoughts.

 

[earthling420]

I had no idea about EMI or any other signal. CLW doesn't do this right?
Also, what else could emit any of these signals?

 

[~Dankster~420]

Oh yeah 4 sure no doubter here. Been using the LEDS now for over 2 years & have seen a noticeable increase in yield vs HPS.

Go with the Han's and you won't regret it .
Remember that those slim panels can produce ,some unbelievable high yields of high quality herb ,specially
in 2D cultivation (Scrog ,Sog ,Vertical ,topped & trained ,etc ... )

Remember to spread out that power (they are high efficient led panels .Raw light power.Do not look at diodes.
Specially the blue ones . ). Surface .Use surface and those panels and you can forget for many years any worries about
light,electricity,safet,etc ....

One of the few best choices for the buck .
Needs space.Much power .
Or multiple smaller grow 'sites' . Space ,again.