Cococola36
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I think if they do its very marginal , the units I have are 92 cri , the 4200k version has less lumens and 90 cri. I bought one by accident and havent used it yet. the 3100k seem much better. (315wcdm-tmw 930u/e)
Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow
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Cococola36
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Heyyyy GG how them nugs coming? lol jk patiently waiting
hyroot
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very marginal I guess. The 330's have 93 cri and either 95 or 100 lumens per watt. I forget which..
where did you get this info? when are cmh 1000s coming out?1000 cmh's are coming soon, hps and mh price drops coming right after
pretty sure everyone will be doing comparisons when those come out.
PSUAGRO.
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Yeah the elite agro's are the best tech that hid has to offer ATM..............but commercially nobody messes with them until a higher wattage version comes out(where is the 600w ver at???). It's all about 1000w hps DE for now
i'd like to see 2 315w elites VS 1 1000w DE .........i think the elites could beat it,maybe
hyroot
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if they ever make a 120 volt one ... For either company.. Advanced tech was supposedly releasing an elite agro 120 a while ago. They haven't yet.Yeah the elite agro's are the best tech that hid has to offer ATM..............but commercially nobody messes with them until a higher wattage version comes out(where is the 600w ver at???). It's all about 1000w hps DE for now
i'd like to see 2 315w elites VS 1 1000w DE .........i think the elites could beat it,maybe
hyroot
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Oh noes, some 18$ 150W CDM elite is just as good as the best cxa leds right now?.....so I guess it should beat all those A51, HansPanels, AT600 and whats not...that really made me sad
Hopefully asking: isnt there a Major downside to them?
They don't make a 150w cdm elite. They make a 210 watt and a 315 watt. Both are $220 for bulb and ballast from advanced tech lighting. Or $500 with the enclosed hood / ballast from growers house.. Other than those 2 places and bulbs america through amazon. There isn't anywhere else to buy philips cmh. Actually dna lighting is philips rebranded, but they are ridiculous in price..
he was comparing per single cob. cmh bulbs last 2-3 years with very minimal spectral degrading. They use a ceramic arc as opposed to hps which use an aluminum arc.. That makes all the difference...
hyroot
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Isnt that what you are talking about?
Philips CDM-T 930 G12 MASTER Colour ELITE 150W
29$ 150W? On Amazon. At least its Philips and has CDM and elite in its name, so i figured...
elite agro
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
http://www.usa.ecat.lighting.philips.com/l/professional-lamps/high-intensity-discharge-lamps/hid-horticulture/mastercolor-cdm-t-elite-med-wattage-agro/928601172201_na/
http://growershouse.com/lights?cat=730
https://www.cycloptics.com/all-bright
Mad Hamish
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OK cool gotcha bro... I must say you kinda have me totally convinced on those little 330w fixtures already. And yeah, watching this guy using one of those in a tent not much smaller than the one I am using now... I am kicking 1000 watts, his girls look just as happy. Actually you can REALLY see the plants for what they are, closest I have seen to outdoors. I am actually so taken by them I don't understand why any body is using anything else if they can afford it.
I am considering using my import licence and distributing them in the country myself. Fukit. Somebody has to do it.
Greengenes707
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My 6" fan runs 135w full power. And that was not enough to keep my room perfect...I wasn't far off, but there were times where I couldn't get it below 80. As where when all led I had no problem maintaining good temps with my current setup.
8" fans are about 230w like HY said. Might be able to get some closer to 200w, but still it's more power than the led needs.
It's all relative and that is why I did my grow the way I did it...me vs me, as a bench mark for what the same grower would do led vs hps...not what me vs you vs someone else...If a person does their hps better than mine, then they would do better than be with led's well. And visa versa. That goes for things like environment/temps too...if you manage your hps better than I do mine, then you would benefit just like I do with the led...it's all relative.
All I can say for now awesome...I really wish I had co2 this round but will be solid. Just the final trim to go now. It's so close that I need to do the final trim before I post any official numbers because it's so close the trim could tip the scale for one or the other.
1000w isn't coming out...they already have the 860's, which have equal/more par than traditional hps. Double ended might still have an edge but spectrum is killer with cmh's.
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Chronikool
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I see some uv-a but no uv-b on the spectrum graph...old graph?
http://www.inda-gro.com/gallery/album/9#5
hyroot
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that spd is for the 400 that had the cage over the bulb area which they have not made or carried in years. I've been told several times the site is going to be updated. The pro series (420, 200, 100) puts out 3% uv-b
Greengenes707
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I did a little test today...is a 5 gallon fabric pot actually 5 gals...yes it is.
I filled a 5 gallon HD bucket packeted down a little, then transferred it to the fabrics that I use. They matched. As they should but I was feeling like my pots were small. I still think that but now I just think 5 gals is small.
I filled a 5 gallon HD bucket packeted down a little, then transferred it to the fabrics that I use. They matched. As they should but I was feeling like my pots were small. I still think that but now I just think 5 gals is small.
sdf
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Can't wait for the numbers 
Based off of what I've seen so far, the led is winning. The colors are better and they look slightly more resinous, not to mention it actually held its own with top of the line hid equipment. I would love to see their 860 in use, sounds deadly >=]
Based off of what I've seen so far, the led is winning. The colors are better and they look slightly more resinous, not to mention it actually held its own with top of the line hid equipment. I would love to see their 860 in use, sounds deadly >=]
Mad Hamish
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Then I guess me kicking a few kilowatts in gullwing reflectors (Come on Hyroot, you SAW that shit lol) venting most effectively using less than 200 watts of fans is a fucking MIRACLE. My temps never hit over 26 degrees C, that is 78.8.
If you need THAT much power to vent that little, I suggest a reading into or consultation with an aerodynamic engineer. Not to be funny, but you will only have these issues with HID if you shove it into a space it really doesn't belong. For me to get serious temp spikes I need to shove a 600watt HPS into a 1.5 meter by 80cm tent before I go WHOA. And that is only a 5 degree c spike from lights off to on. I try keep it within 3 degrees.
So yeah, talk theory about how much power you need when I am living a practical example that contradicts your theory, Sir.
Greengenes707
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I don't know what theories you think I said...it was all fact from my actual grow that just went on in this thread your in. I don't know what you are trying to argue. I cooled both my lights(1K hps and 685led) in the last grow with 135w...wasn't quiet enough, but was pretty close(84* top end). If I was running 2K hps it would not be enough for sure...an AC would be a must, or a bigger fan possible could work. Are you trying to say that everyone should be able to cool 3600w of hps with 125W??? Just an FYI, doesn't work for everyone...very few intact. And now you are only in a 4x4 tent...not much space to cool there. Never said you needed a huge fan for that. Not to mention I imagine there is room outside the tent to buffer temps. With hps I wanted a fan that could evacuate the full space volume in under 2min(<1min ideally) on full blast.
My current room is 12x8 and can use my 6" 135w(435cfm) fan to cool the whole thing with 2400w of led in there. That is the way it is no matter if use less for your situation...but do the math and I use less to cool per area than you. And to add to that I am in a fully insulated room with only 7" of height...more resin led works for my situation...which was built around led's.
I love how I go head to head against the most accepted and proven light in the business(still debatable the best)...and all you can say is I wasn't doing enough because I didn't talk about CMH.
Another great point about led's is that I can put 1000hps power light into any space with them because I can build the energy to my space needs.