Before the gun control nuts come out of the woodwork

BigNBushy

Well-Known Member
A crossbow is actually far more lethal than a Glock 19, it just has a much lower rate of fire.

Stringed weapons have come along way since "The Lord of the Rings", Id rather take a bullet than a bolt.
We didn't bother to define lethality.

A Glock 19 can fire off 15 rounds in about 5 ssecods.

A cross bow in the hands of a skilled bowman can fire two or three shots a minute.

No aiming time in those figures.

Each projectile the Glock fires isn't as lethal, I'll give you that, but it can dispense death more quickly, the average person can kill with a Glock, and one has to train with a cross bow.

But the bow, in one form or another, is no where near as lethal overall as the gun. This is why it has been taken over by the gun everywhere death is the objective.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
and just what did the SCOTUS have to say? tell me and then piss off. why is everyone so fucking mean?
read it for yourself. the heller decision is the most recent one to state outright that your line of idiotic rebuttal about the absoluteness of "infringe" is completely out of line.
 

tightpockt

Well-Known Member
Hypothetical question:
say scientists develop a pill that when taken, allowed you to point your finger at anybody and kill them. who would support said pill being sold in stores to the public?
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
We didn't bother to define lethality.

A Glock 19 can fire off 15 rounds in about 5 ssecods.

A cross bow in the hands of a skilled bowman can fire two or three shots a minute.

No aiming time in those figures.

Each projectile the Glock fires isn't as lethal, I'll give you that, but it can dispense death more quickly, the average person can kill with a Glock, and one has to train with a cross bow.

But the bow, in one form or another, is no where near as lethal overall as the gun. This is why it has been taken over by the gun everywhere death is the objective.
One shot from a bow and youre dead, vest or not, from a considerable range at considerable accuracy.

Glock 19 is more of a "in the house" sort of a range, with multiple shots required for a guaranteed kill.

Hypothetical question:
say scientists develop a pill that when taken, allowed you to point your finger at anybody and kill them. who would support said pill being sold in stores to the public?
Do I get to shoot lightning bolts from my fingers? If so, Im sold.
 

darrellduaner

Active Member
read it for yourself. the heller decision is the most recent one to state outright that your line of idiotic rebuttal about the absoluteness of "infringe" is completely out of line.
oh you mean the opinion of 5 psychopaths? okay since they hold a particular opinion, i guess i agree now. but what about the 45% of them that disagree?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
oh you mean the opinion of 5 psychopaths? okay since they hold a particular opinion, i guess i agree now. but what about the 45% of them that disagree?
OK, then go find any decision anywhere from any time from the SCOTUS upholding the absolutism of "shall not infringe".

it doesn't exist.

whenever the second amendment has come before the SCOTUS, they have looked at it in a reasonable way, never in an absolutist fashion that you seem to think applies.

only morons believe in the absolutism of the second.
 

Mindmelted

Well-Known Member
we could look to nations like australia and take a hint, but who wants to do that? we can just ignore the mass murders pretty well if they happen often enough, no biggie.


Australia implemented a massive purge of guns in 1996, which included bans on "assault weapons" and other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. They also did forced buybacks and then entered into a strict licensing and registration agreement where certain single-shot rifles and similar firearms could be owned but only if the owner provided justification for the possession of such a weapon.

Yet 17 years after the implementation of gun control schemes that are very similar in many ways to those being pushed by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the NSW police department is launching a new operation to rein in gun violence.
The lesson: criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. They never have and they never will.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Australia implemented a massive purge of guns in 1996, which included bans on "assault weapons" and other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. They also did forced buybacks and then entered into a strict licensing and registration agreement where certain single-shot rifles and similar firearms could be owned but only if the owner provided justification for the possession of such a weapon.

Yet 17 years after the implementation of gun control schemes that are very similar in many ways to those being pushed by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the NSW police department is launching a new operation to rein in gun violence.
The lesson: criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. They never have and they never will.
tell me about how many mass murders australia has had since 1996.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
So 3 people are now considered a mass murder.
Hell in detroit that would just rank as a fare night.
i didn't make any comments about what happens here in america, i asked you to tell me about australia.

do you need me to write it in crayon?
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
So 3 people are now considered a mass murder.
Hell in detroit that would just rank as a fare night.
If you discount the Democratic strongholds in the inner cities, the US has a lower crime rate using guns than Europe.

"Mass murders" have held constant for decades. They are the work of crazy people and can't be prevented.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
If you discount the Democratic strongholds in the inner cities, the US has a lower crime rate using guns than Europe.
yes, as long as we focus on disparate, sparsely populated areas where no one lives, we are doing pretty OK.

PROPAGANDA.

"Mass murders" have held constant for decades. They are the work of crazy people and can't be prevented.
how's australia been doing on mass murders lately (as in the last few decades)?
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
yes, as long as we focus on disparate, sparsely populated areas where no one lives, we are doing pretty OK.

PROPAGANDA.



how's australia been doing on mass murders lately (as in the last few decades)?
How many murders are committed with "assault weapons", yet you gun grabbers pop a vein in your collective forehead about "assault weapons".

Propaganda.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
How many murders are committed with "assault weapons", yet you gun grabbers pop a vein in your collective forehead about "assault weapons".

Propaganda.
you really have no clue what propaganda is, and you are demonstrating it.

does everyone here remember how impossible it was to defend yourself between 1994 and 2004? those years were hell. kept on having to fight off hordes of invaders with a stick because of the assault rifle ban.

 

darrellduaner

Active Member
Hypothetical question:
say scientists develop a pill that when taken, allowed you to point your finger at anybody and kill them. who would support said pill being sold in stores to the public?
remember that scene in the matrix, when everyone gets a gun pointed at their head? why does nobody shoot?
 

darrellduaner

Active Member
OK, then go find any decision anywhere from any time from the SCOTUS upholding the absolutism of "shall not infringe".

it doesn't exist.

whenever the second amendment has come before the SCOTUS, they have looked at it in a reasonable way, never in an absolutist fashion that you seem to think applies.

only morons believe in the absolutism of the second.
okay, and i never said i did. but i dont believe that it needs any alteration at this point in time so you can take your 'my daddy said' argument somewhere else. its just an opinion.
 
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