Elliot Rodger's had Aspergers Syndrome. Should we not allow people with Aspergers to own guns?

[Padawanbater2]

Not in my world, but then again my world is hard science, not soft science.

That's not what the facts say; most scientists lean left and I provided the evidence that backs it up. Can you offer anything that reaches a different conclusion other than worthless anecdotes?

What sort of "scientist" are you anyway?

Wow, Slate and PewResearch without a source to the study. I stand corrected
Let me post opinions for NationalReview and a study done by Heritage and see how much credence you give it.

I AM surprised by the numbers of physics and chemistry in that chart. If they give where they got those numbers I can't find it.

You officially have me questioning my own observations, you can finish me off by providing the genesis of that study.

"The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan American think tank based in Washington, D.C., that provides information on social issues, public opinion, and demographic trends shaping the United States and the world. It conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis, and other empirical social science research. It does not take explicit policy positions. It is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_research_center

I posted the slate article because slate is a clearly politically biased publication and they are agreeing with the findings of the pew research poll about political affiliation among scientists. The author believes they need more Republicans in scientific positions because "science is too liberal"

ROFL!

 

[Padawanbater2]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ohh man...

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

thats rich.

opinion polls mean so much.

I know right, asking the scientists which way they lean means nothing

Are you going to deny that most scientists lean left in face of the evidence now too?

 

[ginwilly]

That's not what the facts say; most scientists lean left and I provided the evidence that backs it up. Can you offer anything that reaches a different conclusion other than worthless anecdotes?

What sort of "scientist" are you anyway?



"The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan American think tank based in Washington, D.C., that provides information on social issues, public opinion, and demographic trends shaping the United States and the world. It conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis, and other empirical social science research. It does not take explicit policy positions. It is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_research_center

I posted the slate article because slate is a clearly politically biased publication and they are agreeing with the findings of the pew research poll about political affiliation among scientists. The author believes they need more Republicans in scientific positions because "science is too liberal"

ROFL!

So no link to the study....

As it's already been established that soft science attracts liberals, an opinion piece by liberals would slant... ?

I have respect for Pew Research, but I know what it is and take it for exactly that. This is a drum you and I will keep beating. Soft science is subjective, people attracted to soft sciences typically lean liberal. So subjective science done by liberal leaning people... I think you and I can both predict the outcome of most studies done in this regard don't you?

 

[ginwilly]

I know right, asking the scientists which way they lean means nothing

Are you going to deny that most scientists lean left in face of the evidence now too?

It's pretty convincing evidence, if you can give a source to the study it would help convince me.

 

[UncleBuck]

Soft science is subjective, people attracted to soft sciences typically lean liberal. So subjective science done by liberal leaning people... I think you and I can both predict the outcome of most studies done in this regard don't you?

give it up, you have no citation or study to back up your anecdotal personal opinion.

 

[MidwesternGro]

I know right, asking the scientists which way they lean means nothing

Are you going to deny that most scientists lean left in face of the evidence now too?

Them thar librul scientamists be for that there global warmin' cuz they be leftists in a thinktank! It be a conspiracy by golly!

Them thar scientamists be conservitives cuz they be smart 'n stuff.

Make up your minds, conservatives. Which is it?

 

[MidwesternGro]

Take 5 minutes looking through the politics section and you could argue that none of you mentally stable enough to own guns.

A question though. Americans always argue that it's not the gun that kills. That knives kill, hammers, cars. So should we ban people with autism from driving? If they're liable to shoot someone because of their lack of empathy, surely they could be just as likely to run someone over or drive into someone elses car because of that lack of empathy? In fact he did exactly that, he shot some people, and drove at some people. Why are you focused on should he have had a gun, but not should he have had a car. His mentality put him in a situation where car or gun he was going to hurt people.

Driving is necessary in some places. Guns are not. Big difference.

Anybody who has known an aspie knows that they can RAGE!

 

[UncleBuck]

We've had this discussion before, science in itself is non-partisan. You can look it up if you care, I feel confident enough that I don't care, so I"m not going to do the leg work for you.

The soft sciences such as psychology, sociology, philosophy and poli-sci draw more liberals than not. The hard sciences like chemistry, biology, physics and others tend to draw a more libertarian person who takes emotions out of the equation.

I'm not saying it like it's a bad thing. The soft science requires subjective findings based on human characteristics. Liberals tend to be better with emotions, libertarians tend to be better with analytical data. I have no idea really what soical-conservatives belong to. Probably law enforcement, criminal sciences or such.

goddamn that is all straight out of your ass.

repeating it is not a citation, nor will it make it true.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I know right, asking the scientists which way they lean means nothing

Are you going to deny that most scientists lean left in face of the evidence now too?

most scientist lean LOGICAL, thus democrat policies are self-excluding.

taking a position opposing the wacky evangelical "the earth is 6000 years old" crowd does not make them liberal, it makes them NOT CRAZY.

taking a point for point examination on real substantive policies, scientists are conservative in the main, as they recognize that "spending your way out of debt" is a non-starter, they recognize that "Hope and Change" doesnt really mean anything, and that guns do not actually have the capacity to commit a crime.

you lefties think the sun rises and sets on your political agendas, and when challenged you simply appeal to imaginary authority and start name calling.

post all the self-reporting opinion polls you like. they mean NOTHING, since any asshole can claim to be a "top scientitician with an Ivy Leegue edukashun" in a phone poll.

do you honestly believe that 2% of "scientists" actually believe that all life forms have existed in their present state since the beginnings of time???
or that 20% of americans read science magazines yet 63% believe that ALL radioactivity is man-made??

this poll is CRAP.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Driving is necessary in some places. Guns are not. Big difference.

Anybody who has known an aspie knows that they can RAGE!

guns are VERY necessary in some places, like say... The US.

 

[londonfog]

are we still discussing the dangers of aspergers

 

[MidwesternGro]

most scientist lean LOGICAL, thus democrat policies are self-excluding.

taking a position opposing the wacky evangelical "the earth is 6000 years old" crowd does not make them liberal, it makes them NOT CRAZY.

taking a point for point examination on real substantive policies, scientists are conservative in the main, as they recognize that "spending your way out of debt" is a non-starter, they recognize that "Hope and Change" doesnt really mean anything, and that guns do not actually have the capacity to commit a crime.

you lefties think the sun rises and sets on your political agendas, and when challenged you simply appeal to imaginary authority and start name calling.

post all the self-reporting opinion polls you like. they mean NOTHING, since any asshole can claim to be a "top scientitician with an Ivy Leegue edukashun" in a phone poll.

do you honestly believe that 2% of "scientists" actually believe that all life forms have existed in their present state since the beginnings of time???
or that 20% of americans read science magazines yet 63% believe that ALL radioactivity is man-made??

this poll is CRAP.

"Long-term trends in surface temperatures are unusual and 2013 adds to the evidence for ongoing climate change," GISS climatologist Gavin Schmidt said. "While one year or one season can be affected by random weather events, this analysis shows the necessity for continued, long-term monitoring."

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20140121/

Is this scientist a leftist, Dr Kynes? Is he logical?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Them thar librul scientamists be for that there global warmin' cuz they be leftists in a thinktank! It be a conspiracy by golly!

Them thar scientamists be conservitives cuz they be smart 'n stuff.

Make up your minds, conservatives. Which is it?

them thar UN Bureaucrats have an agenda, and sought out "scientists" who would toe the line, and lambasted every scientist who disagreed.

they skewed the data, faked the numbers, drafted deceptive reports, lied, deceived and built a boogey man out of straw to scare dimwits with their doomsday scenarios.

just like catholicism, you must accept the dogma, confess your sins, and accept the church as your temporal and spiritual authority, or be damned to a lake of brimstone and be sodomized with a pineapple for eternity. .

 

[Dr Kynes]

"Long-term trends in surface temperatures are unusual and 2013 adds to the evidence for ongoing climate change," GISS climatologist Gavin Schmidt said. "While one year or one season can be affected by random weather events, this analysis shows the necessity for continued, long-term monitoring."

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20140121/

Is this scientist a leftist, Dr Kynes? Is he logical?

and how do you determine that he is a leftist? because he is urging continued monitoring of climate changes (which are according to the IPCC, ~50% natural in origin), or because you really really want him to be an obamanaut?

 

[MidwesternGro]

them thar UN Bureaucrats have an agenda, and sought out "scientists" who would toe the line, and lambasted every scientist who disagreed.

they skewed the data, faked the numbers, drafted deceptive reports, lied, deceived and built a boogey man out of straw to scare dimwits with their doomsday scenarios.

just like catholicism, you must accept the dogma, confess your sins, and accept the church as your temporal and spiritual authority, or be damned to a lake of brimstone and be sodomized with a pineapple for eternity. .

Yes, of course. The scientist at NASA is wrong and Dr Kynes is correct. LOL!

 

[ginwilly]

guns are VERY necessary in some places, like say... The US.

My dog was arguing with a water moccasin this morning over territorial privileges. I had to settle the argument with a 20gauge. I took my dog's side.

I don't need a handgun, but living in the woods on a lake, I have had need for a gun because of critters. I refuse to pretend to know what others may or may not need.

These rights shall not be infringed........ seems pretty clear to me.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It's pretty convincing evidence, if you can give a source to the study it would help convince me.

http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/public-praises-science-scientists-fault-public-media/

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-questionnaires/528.pdf

 

[tip top toker]

While most killers lack empathy, it's not correct in assuming that lacking empathy makes you a killer. Just because you don't give a shit about someone doesn't mean you want to kill them or want them dead, in fact, it really means you just don't give a shit.

The way i see it is they kill because they wanted to kill, because events pushed them to that point; the lack of empathy just makes it a much easier pill to swallow for them. I'm often in my car and think fuck youuuuuu doing 30 in a 60 i should rearend you a little bit. But empathy ki

Driving is necessary in some places. Guns are not. Big difference.

Anybody who has known an aspie knows that they can RAGE!

Do blind people get to drive? If deemed appopriate the government has no issue not granting licenses. And kind of missing the point. This thread is about people with autism being allowed to own killing machine, in this case, singled out as guns, but nether the less ought to apply to anything.

 

[Padawanbater2]

most scientist lean LOGICAL, thus democrat policies are self-excluding.

taking a position opposing the wacky evangelical "the earth is 6000 years old" crowd does not make them liberal, it makes them NOT CRAZY.

taking a point for point examination on real substantive policies, scientists are conservative in the main, as they recognize that "spending your way out of debt" is a non-starter, they recognize that "Hope and Change" doesnt really mean anything, and that guns do not actually have the capacity to commit a crime.

you lefties think the sun rises and sets on your political agendas, and when challenged you simply appeal to imaginary authority and start name calling.

post all the self-reporting opinion polls you like. they mean NOTHING, since any asshole can claim to be a "top scientitician with an Ivy Leegue edukashun" in a phone poll.

do you honestly believe that 2% of "scientists" actually believe that all life forms have existed in their present state since the beginnings of time???
or that 20% of americans read science magazines yet 63% believe that ALL radioactivity is man-made??

this poll is CRAP.

 

[MidwesternGro]

These rights shall not be infringed........ seems pretty clear to me.

How about convicted rapists and violent schizophrenics? Should they have guns?