Shatter E-CIG Oil, Yes, it works!

[god1]

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
View attachment 3191616 View attachment 3191618 View attachment 3191617 View attachment 3191632

Top Fed Clearomizer
View attachment 3191633

an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

GG,

Any suggestions where to buy food quality PEG 400? With the little looking I've done it seems that a lot a folks are re-packaging the Dow Carbowax stuff.

I'm just not sure who to trust. For one thing, it has to be the Sentry product, or it isn't NF/USP grade.

I'm thinking about this one place named Tex Supply Lab, but don't really know anything about them. Ever heard of them?

Thanks

 

[Grow Goddess]

GG,

Any suggestions where to buy food quality PEG 400? With the little looking I've done it seems that a lot a folks are re-packaging the Dow Carbowax stuff.

I'm just not sure who to trust. For one thing, it has to be the Sentry product, or it isn't NF/USP grade.

I'm thinking about this one place named Tex Supply Lab, but don't really know anything about them. Ever heard of them?

Thanks

Well, I lost the information to where I was planning on ordering it. There was a post at the 3MG website, but it is gone now.

I just ordered a bottle from Tex Supply Lab. I have wasted enough time trying to locate my original source.

I don't think the PEG will be as good as the PG USP. I will do a side-by-side comparison and post it to my blog.

Looks legit to me and reasonably priced too. http://www.texlabsupply.com/product-p/2ozpeg400.htm This PEG is PEG NF/USP it meets higher standards. Basically food and medical use. It would make me nervous to use PEG that is not NF and USP.

I know the most safe PEG would be whatever they use in European e-ciggs. It may even be PEG 3000, 6000, or even 400. They have tighter regulations over there. If I do like the PEG I will look deeper into what they use in Europe.

 

[god1]

Well, I lost the information to where I was planning on ordering it. There was a post at the 3MG website, but it is gone now.

I just ordered a bottle from Tex Supply Lab. I have wasted enough time trying to locate my original source.

I don't think the PEG will be as good as the PG USP. I will do a side-by-side comparison and post it to my blog.

Looks legit to me and reasonably priced too. http://www.texlabsupply.com/product-p/2ozpeg400.htm This PEG is PEG NF/USP it meets higher standards. Basically food and medical use. It would make me nervous to use PEG that is not NF and USP.

I know the most safe PEG would be whatever they use in European e-ciggs. It may even be PEG 3000, 6000, or even 400. They have tighter regulations over there. If I do like the PEG I will look deeper into what they use in Europe.

Hey thanks.
I wonder if the higher molecular weight stuff is too viscous?
Keep us posted.

 

[Eric M]

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
View attachment 3191616 View attachment 3191618 View attachment 3191617 View attachment 3191632

Top Fed Clearomizer
View attachment 3191633

an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

ppg is polypropylene glycol not polyethylene glycol

the rite stuff is PEG USP 400 rebottled for ease of dosage and convenient size,, i talked to the guy on another forum where alot of people wanted an easy way to dissolve bho for vaporizers,, he does alot of cool stuff,,he has tought me alot over the years,, and after a million questions he just started selling the rite stuff for people who were using the wrong stuff, oh and as far as ppg goes you are going to like peg way better

 

[Eric M]

Well, I lost the information to where I was planning on ordering it. There was a post at the 3MG website, but it is gone now.

I just ordered a bottle from Tex Supply Lab. I have wasted enough time trying to locate my original source.

I don't think the PEG will be as good as the PG USP. I will do a side-by-side comparison and post it to my blog.

Looks legit to me and reasonably priced too. http://www.texlabsupply.com/product-p/2ozpeg400.htm This PEG is PEG NF/USP it meets higher standards. Basically food and medical use. It would make me nervous to use PEG that is not NF and USP.

I know the most safe PEG would be whatever they use in European e-ciggs. It may even be PEG 3000, 6000, or even 400. They have tighter regulations over there. If I do like the PEG I will look deeper into what they use in Europe.

Tex Supply Lab is a great source in Amarillo,

 

[Eric M]

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
View attachment 3191616 View attachment 3191618 View attachment 3191617 View attachment 3191632

Top Fed Clearomizer
View attachment 3191633

an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

decarb does not start till 170 F up to 240F thc melts at 140F does not boil or vape till 392F
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml

i have been doing this for years / i used to just put bho in joints for an extra kick

 

[Grow Goddess]

decarb does not start till 170 F up to 240F thc melts at 140F does not boil or vape till 392F
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml

i have been doing this for years / i used to just put bho in joints for an extra kick

Yes, that applies to the concentrate, but when it is mixed with PG USP those temperatures can drastically change if I am not mistaken.

 

[Grow Goddess]

ppg is polypropylene glycol not polyethylene glycol

the rite stuff is PEG USP 400 rebottled for ease of dosage and convenient size,, i talked to the guy on another forum where alot of people wanted an easy way to dissolve bho for vaporizers,, he does alot of cool stuff,,he has tought me alot over the years,, and after a million questions he just started selling the rite stuff for people who were using the wrong stuff, oh and as far as ppg goes you are going to like peg way better

Thanks for answering the ppg question. Never heard of anyone using that. I will have to look into it. I have always used PG USP medical/food grade.

I will be comparing the PG USP to PEG 400 NF USP medical food grade soon. Still waiting for the PEG400 NF USP to arrive.

 

[Eric M]

Thanks for answering the ppg question. Never heard of anyone using that. I will have to look into it. I have always used PG USP medical/food grade.

I will be comparing the PG USP to PEG 400 NF USP medical food grade soon. Still waiting for the PEG400 NF USP to arrive.

you will love it use about 5 ml per gram of shatter after that it stops dissolving even at 150F
the rite stuff is what you ordered if you went with tex lab

 

[Eric M]

Yes, that applies to the concentrate, but when it is mixed with PG USP those temperatures can drastically change if I am not mistaken.

it works well,, it does not take long to mix if you dont use more shatter then the peg can absorb,,after much research i came up with the 5ml peg to one gram concentrate,, mixes good nice clear yellow to amber color, works great in any e gig tank, after you mix you let it cool, less surface tension and thinner viscosity lets it gas out nice too, so leave it in the shot glass for 10 to 15 minutes after removing from heat
happy vaping

 

[god1]

you will love it use about 5 ml per gram of shatter after that it stops dissolving even at 150F
the rite sf is what you ordered if you went with tex lab

Eric,

Are you saying the vendor selling the Rite Stuff and Tex Lab are one and the same?
Do you know them? Just curious.

Thanks

 

[Grow Goddess]

Well, I tried out the PEG400 NF/USP Grade.

For starters, it is much thicker than PG USP. Closer to your average e-cigg oil mix.

I sampled my winterized QWISO so there already was no real mj flavor.

In the preferred KangerTech products, with my best oil it can be harsh, gives a throat burn. The KangerTech products work the best, so I figured I would try the PEG mix. It is smoother, but one bad side is it has a chemical taste, hard to describe, kind of a burnt taste, but that is not the right description. Anyway, it worked real good. I figured it would be a good time to try some flavor samples I received from my favorite e-cigg shops. I added 3 or 4 drops to about 1.5 grams of mix with PEG. The flavor I used is Jolly Rancher. It made a big difference. It stayed infused nicely and took most of the chemical taste out and added a nice hint of Jolly Rancher candy, mostly on the exhale. It makes me want to try different flavors now. Maybe other flavors would make it smoother and more enjoyable. I will have to try it with non-winterized concentrate too to see if those walk over the PEG chemical taste.

More testing needs to be done!

 

[god1]

Well, I tried out the PEG400 NF/USP Grade.

For starters, it is much thicker than PG USP. Closer to your average e-cigg oil mix.

I sampled my winterized QWISO so there already was no real mj flavor.

In the preferred KangerTech products, with my best oil it can be harsh, gives a throat burn. The KangerTech products work the best, so I figured I would try the PEG mix. It is smoother, but one bad side is it has a chemical taste, hard to describe, kind of a burnt taste, but that is not the right description. Anyway, it worked real good. I figured it would be a good time to try some flavor samples I received from my favorite e-cigg shops. I added 3 or 4 drops to about 1.5 grams of mix with PEG. The flavor I used is Jolly Rancher. It made a big difference. It stayed infused nicely and took most of the chemical taste out and added a nice hint of Jolly Rancher candy, mostly on the exhale. It makes me want to try different flavors now. Maybe other flavors would make it smoother and more enjoyable. I will have to try it with non-winterized concentrate too to see if those walk over the PEG chemical taste.

More testing needs to be done!

Hey thanks for the report.
Sounds like you had a good experience with Tex Labs?
I've been toying with the idea of a low pressure hydro distillation for terps, this maybe the excuse to try.

 

[DemonTrich]

awesome thread. my new patient asked me about some vape pen liquid yesterday. im wondering of I use the peg (food safe) with qwiso oil if the results would be good. like above, use the 5:1 ratio (peg to concentrate). another concoction I get to try out. hope I don't fail and waste product.

 

[Eric M]

Eric,

Are you saying the vendor selling the Rite Stuff and Tex Lab are one and the same?
Do you know them? Just curious.

Thanks

no not at all, but the vendor uses tex lab for PEG 400 USP, i know him from the forums and after i was buying The Rite Stuff all the time with no complaints, he let me know to go there. he is not trying to get rich, just trying to help people get the job done right without all the expense he went through finding a way to vape oil easy. he is a disabled first responder from 911 at the world trade centers( I googled him and then asked him about it),,and could not smoke anything due to lung disease from 911, so he had to find a solution to continue medicating and not smoke. so i still buy from him every once in a while to support him for all he has taught me and many others, if friends ask i just tell them to order The Rite Stuff cause the 5ml to one gram concentrate works great it keeps things consistent for people who don't want to be full time chemists. the rite stuff is PEG 400 USP he gets from tex lab,put into e cig bottles. if your reading this don't be pissed Doug, I know you did not want to advertise that , but I have not heard from you for a while and felt i would explain. (you need to just pt this info in your description)

 

[Eric M]

Well, I tried out the PEG400 NF/USP Grade.

For starters, it is much thicker than PG USP. Closer to your average e-cigg oil mix.

I sampled my winterized QWISO so there already was no real mj flavor.

In the preferred KangerTech products, with my best oil it can be harsh, gives a throat burn. The KangerTech products work the best, so I figured I would try the PEG mix. It is smoother, but one bad side is it has a chemical taste, hard to describe, kind of a burnt taste, but that is not the right description. Anyway, it worked real good. I figured it would be a good time to try some flavor samples I received from my favorite e-cigg shops. I added 3 or 4 drops to about 1.5 grams of mix with PEG. The flavor I used is Jolly Rancher. It made a big difference. It stayed infused nicely and took most of the chemical taste out and added a nice hint of Jolly Rancher candy, mostly on the exhale. It makes me want to try different flavors now. Maybe other flavors would make it smoother and more enjoyable. I will have to try it with non-winterized concentrate too to see if those walk over the PEG chemical taste.

More testing needs to be done!

I told you you would like it, it really is the way to go,,turn your voltage down to get no burnt flavor,, i use a TECC VTR (the electronic cigarette company) variable voltage and current 12 second hits are very potent at 13 ma at 4 volts 3ml capacity tank

 

[Eric M]

Hey thanks for the report.
Sounds like you had a good experience with Tex Labs?
I've been toying with the idea of a low pressure hydro distillation for terps, this maybe the excuse to try.

hydro wont dissolve thc and the temp would destroy any thc left in essential oils,,,but it smells great.
unless you know something I missed out on. if so what is your technique..i will share first: for bho i use dry ice to shake hash out in 160-200 micron filter to remove most plant matter and chlorophyll then run the hash ,vaccuum/heat purge, winterization is not needed, i guess super freezing with dry ice keeps all the fats and waxes out, then mix with peg400 and enjoy

 

[Grow Goddess]

awesome thread. my new patient asked me about some vape pen liquid yesterday. im wondering of I use the peg (food safe) with qwiso oil if the results would be good. like above, use the 5:1 ratio (peg to concentrate). another concoction I get to try out. hope I don't fail and waste product.

The ratio depends on your concentrate. In my case, using QWISO, RSO, QWET, I make those to where they are more like a thick sap, trying to keep all the terps and such. I only need to add about 30-50% PG USP or PEG400 NF/USP to make the e-cannabis oil.

It will also depend on what type of vape rig you plan to use.

When I use the PEG400 I prefer to also add some flavor. I am getting ready to try out some Plumb Apricot Organic NF flavoring in my next batch of e-cannabis.

 

[god1]

hydro wont dissolve thc and the temp would destroy any thc left in essential oils,,,but it smells great.
unless you know something I missed out on. if so what is your technique..i will share first: for bho i use dry ice to shake hash out in 160-200 micron filter to remove most plant matter and chlorophyll then run the hash ,vaccuum/heat purge, winterization is not needed, i guess super freezing with dry ice keeps all the fats and waxes out, then mix with peg400 and enjoy

Eric thanks for the response.
Tex Lab sells bulk and if I recall correctly, they sell on Ebay as well, so I was just curious if they relabeled as the Rite Stuff.

Re the Vaporizer power;
When you talk about time, 12 sec, are you talking about the time to hold the vap button, or are you implying that the source circuit is closed loop and pwm’ing the igniter for that long? To be honest 52 mw is a tiny amount of power to hit the vap coil with and expect much of anything, so I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say.

Clearly I’m going to have to tear some of these apart and see what’s inside.

Re the sauce;
I make BHO. Sometimes, removing to many waxes seem to pull a lot of flavor. Also, the few commercial vap pen flavors I’ve tried seem artificial.
So my simple minded idea, is to attempt a hydro extraction strictly for the 2nd and 3rd order terps, then re blend them in to the PEG/WBHO mixture. Same idea GG has, but I'm going to try and extract my own flavor juice from real bud.

We’ll see, this is basically a science project. I obviously have a ways to go and the fun part for me is the journey anyway.

 

[Eric M]

Eric thanks for the response.
Tex Lab sells bulk and if I recall correctly, they sell on Ebay as well, so I was just curious if they relabeled as the Rite Stuff.

Re the Vaporizer power;
When you talk about time, 12 sec, are you talking about the time to hold the vap button, or are you implying that the source circuit is closed loop and pwm’ing the igniter for that long? To be honest 52 mw is a tiny amount of power to hit the vap coil with and expect much of anything, so I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say.

Clearly I’m going to have to tear some of these apart and see what’s inside.

Re the sauce;
I make BHO. Sometimes, removing to many waxes seem to pull a lot of flavor. Also, the few commercial vap pen flavors I’ve tried seem artificial.
So my simple minded idea, is to attempt a hydro extraction strictly for the 2nd and 3rd order terps, then re blend them in to the PEG/WBHO mixture. Same idea GG has, but I'm going to try and extract my own flavor juice from real bud.

We’ll see, this is basically a science project. I obviously have a ways to go and the fun part for me is the journey anyway.

i see, you can surely distill an essential oil to add to regain flavor and smell.
and the ecc vtr lets you set the voltage and the amperage,,i run around 4.0 to 4.6 volts and 12-14 ma my coil is 2x 1.4 ohm
it gives awesome hits that will choke you out if your not careful, i go 12 seconds on the button.
there is a cheap kitchen still on e bay that would work well to make your flavor oil all glass real nice, i was gonna try that as well
oh yeah there is just a little heating coil nothing impressive inside.