Should the US support Israel forever ?

Should the US support Israel, no matter what?

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Doer

Doer

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earnest_voice said:
Doer your comments thus far in response to presented facts isn't flattering. You either shrug it off with "bullshit" or claim I am some kind of jihadist apologist, which is contrary to my clearly stated position. Clear discussion on your part would involve presenting factual and clear points of contention to which you have not.

I'm sorry but your contention all Muslims are jihadists is incorrect. Western understanding of jihadism in todays world implies militantism and this is the context in which we've been discussing the term.

I cannot believe for a minute that all muslims have an inner militant/insurgent/terrorist waiting to burst out. Militant Jihadism in our post WW2 world is a sickos take on islam and doesn't represent muslims as a whole.

Read "milestones" if your interested in the brotherhoods origins post ww2.
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You just repeat contention without proof.

I decided to ask.

I have my proof.
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
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He is very confused if he thinks Jihad means go blow yourself up whist screaming Allahu Akbar
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You are so confused as to stoop to twisted lambast with your clueless portrayal about what I think. That make you a jihadist.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
You just repeat contention without proof.

I decided to ask.

I have my proof.
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asking and knowing are two different things.
My proof is in the Qur'an. Again I don't take sides with religion, but I do like an honest conversation. Not all Muslims believe Jihad is all about violence. Just like all Christians don't blow up abortion clinics
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
You are so confused as to stoop to twisted lambast with your clueless portrayal about what I think. That make you a jihadist.
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and I would never kill you unless you tried to kill me. In fact I will smoke with you as we disagree.
 
Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
again reading the Qur'an that would be your best understanding. It will also show how false your statement is.
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Like I don't know. There is not only that book.

And even with the Holy Qur'an, you are full of it, Mister.

Like I don't know? You are just being a jerk. You need the education.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/september/ex-muslim-speaks-out-about-the-koran-dilemma/
Al Fadi, a Saudi native, said it's no coincidence that a majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

"When I lived in Saudi Arabia, not only did I look at non-Muslims as second class, you would look at non-devout Muslims as second class citizens," Fadi told CBN News.

"If Islam has to prosper, be the superior religion, then certain steps must be taken by its followers, including spreading Islam at any cost, including the sword and killing any opposition," he said.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

Excerpt K 3:169
Set 11, Count 32 ...reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven];
Excerpt K 3:172-173
Set 12, Count 33+34 [3.172] ...those who responded (at [the Battle of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen them...shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is the Protector.
Excerpt K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 ...who fought and were slain...I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.
Excerpt K 4:071-072
Set 14, Count 36+37 [4.71] ...go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] ...hang back [from Jihad] ...not present with them [in Jihad].
Excerpt K 4:074-077
Set 15, Count 38-41 [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] ...fight in the way of Allah... [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan... [4.77] ...when fighting is prescribed for them...Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us?...
Excerpt K 4:084
Set 16, Count 42

Fight then in Allah's way...rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve...
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Doer said:
Why are you making this into a fight unless you are a defender of Islam?
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why do you restrict your whining and crying to islam?

all religions have violent morons. that "born again" christian guy we recently had in office has 150k dead iraqi civilians on his hands.

where's your pants-wetting for this sect of violent religious extremists?
 
Doer

Doer

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And as dangerous as the Bible quotes are too JeeHaw, this means to anyone that is threatened and called to Jihad, forget your families, the Clerics will kill you over it and them. It is not a religion. It is a War Cult the same as the Catholic Church.

Muslims don't see it as a religion. Secular govt is evil and should be abolished.

Muslims even in the USA will not deny it.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Doer said:
And as dangerous as the Bible quotes are too JeeHaw, this means to anyone that is threatened and called to Jihad, forget your families, the Clerics will kill you over it and them. It is not a religion. It is a War Cult the same as the Catholic Church.

Muslims don't see it as a religion. Secular govt is evil and should be abolished.

Muslims even in the USA will not deny it.
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Doer

Doer

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UncleBuck said:
why do you restrict your whining and crying to islam?

all religions have violent morons. that "born again" christian guy we recently had in office has 150k dead iraqi civilians on his hands.

where's your pants-wetting for this sect of violent religious extremists?
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Why do you get all emotional about it? Pants wetting?

This is a geo-politcal discussion, buck.

I don't see Christian tangos shooting up shopping malls do you?

What Christian country simply claims another has no right to exist?

You can't force me onto a side. Give up. I am against all war cults.
 
sheskunk

sheskunk

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UncleBuck said:
why do you restrict your whining and crying to islam?

all religions have violent morons. that "born again" christian guy we recently had in office has 150k dead iraqi civilians on his hands.

where's your pants-wetting for this sect of violent religious extremists?
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It's those damn Buddhists you have to watch out for.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Doer said:
Like I don't know. There is not only that book.

And even with the Holy Qur'an, you are full of it, Mister.

Like I don't know? You are just being a jerk. You need the education.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/september/ex-muslim-speaks-out-about-the-koran-dilemma/
Al Fadi, a Saudi native, said it's no coincidence that a majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

"When I lived in Saudi Arabia, not only did I look at non-Muslims as second class, you would look at non-devout Muslims as second class citizens," Fadi told CBN News.

"If Islam has to prosper, be the superior religion, then certain steps must be taken by its followers, including spreading Islam at any cost, including the sword and killing any opposition," he said.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

Excerpt K 3:169
Set 11, Count 32 ...reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven];
Excerpt K 3:172-173
Set 12, Count 33+34 [3.172] ...those who responded (at [the Battle of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen them...shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is the Protector.
Excerpt K 3:195
Set 13, Count 35 ...who fought and were slain...I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.
Excerpt K 4:071-072
Set 14, Count 36+37 [4.71] ...go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] ...hang back [from Jihad] ...not present with them [in Jihad].
Excerpt K 4:074-077
Set 15, Count 38-41 [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] ...fight in the way of Allah... [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan... [4.77] ...when fighting is prescribed for them...Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us?...
Excerpt K 4:084
Set 16, Count 42

Fight then in Allah's way...rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve...
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after all your quotes..it still comes only when aggressions are first brought upon you as the teaching goes. Let people be and they would live like they wish. Do you think all Muslims want you dead so it will be nothing but Islam ?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Doer

Doer

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londonfog said:
I'm just correcting your statement about Jihad meaning violence. I would defend Christianity if you made false claims about that as well.
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You can only claim that is false. You belive it is.

Muslims say it is not.

And I didn't say, Jihad means violent, wrong-bong. You said that.

I said it means Conquest of all other religions and subjugation of all people on the Earth under Islam, and it does.

Christianity does not. Christianity is a sneaky, double subtle, turn the other cheek when they really mean, be-two-faced, type of thing. Christianity has not been about Conquest of the Earth, ever.
 
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