Should the US support Israel forever ?

[earnest_voice]

Santa Claus is in the dictionary too. I KNEW HE WAS REAL!!!

Who else is bringing you all those presents? Oh that's right coca cola.

 

[earnest_voice]

Put down your banjo and read your own links dumbass

http://www.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/380-600056

so where are the forced evacuations?

and when id the fighting stop, to allow these imaginary evacuees to return to their homes?

49 The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

same shit as above.

only through the mental gymnastics of the pallies and their mouthpieces can you assert israel has broken this convention.

45 Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

46 Restrictive measures affecting their property shall be cancelled, in accordance with the law of the Detaining Power, as soon as possible after the close of hostilities.

49 In no circumstances shall a protected person be transferred to a country where he or she may have reason to fear persecution for his or her political opinions or religious beliefs.

49 The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl/com/380-600038

where is the "collective penalty"?

has israel rounded up and executed random pallies for fatah hezzbollah and hamas' actions?

youre retarded.

Article 33 is derived from Article 50 [ Link ] of the Hague Regulations: "No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they can not be regarded as jointly and severally responsible".

1000+ dead Palestinians for the murder of 3 Israeli teens is collective punishment. Many IDF soldiers have confessed to being a part of such actions (Reprisal Attacks).

Pick one http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml

this one demonstrrates israel's RIGHT to defend itself against attacks.

youre an idiot.

Read the document moron. The illegal settlements aren’t occupied for self defence or to “directly benefit the native population”

51 Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

http://www.un-documents.net/a25r2625.htm

funny how this is also irrelevant, and it's also not "international law" it is the rules of the UN secretariat, which is TOOTHLESS.

All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

more repetition of worthless "declarations of principles"

Pertains to human rights/equal rights and self-determination of peoples.

http://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html

this has nothing to do with israel's occupation.

that aint aparthied, no matter how desperately you wish it was.

Yes it’s apartheid.

Article I

1. The States Parties to the present Convention declare that apartheid is a crime against humanity and that inhuman acts resulting from the policies and practices of apartheid and similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination, as defined in article II of the Convention, are crimes violating the principles of international law, in particular the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and constituting a serious threat to international peace and security.

2. The States Parties to the present Convention declare criminal those organizations, institutions and individuals committing the crime of apartheid.

Article II

For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:

i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;

ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;

iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;

b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;

c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;

e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;

f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hague04.asp#art43

yep, another failure.

israel has done extraordinary measures to try and prevent the pallies from killing each other

http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/12/18/israelwest-bank-separate-and-unequal

Also Israel’s support of HAMAS as a counterpoint to the PLO is more blowback.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/

The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

You provided every link which refutes your bullshit and open white supremacy

 

[earnest_voice]

shitty photoshopping is the best argument you have made yet, which is to say, youre an idiot.

A vote for bush was a de facto vote for saudi arabian terrorists. Not very jewish of you schmuck

 

[socalcoolmx]

What is the political platform of Hamas?

Its something like destroy Israel the enemy of the people of Gaza and Palestine, and that would make sense after everything Israel has done
I Know Hamas the democraticaly elected government of Gaza is not innocent in all of this, they are also guilty of war crimes but not on A MASSIVE SCALE LIKE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT

 

[socalcoolmx]

The Israeli psychotic crime government probably created Hamas just as an excuse to kill more Palestinians

 

[earnest_voice]

The Israeli psychotic crime government probably created Hamas just as an excuse to kill more Palestinians

Decent book if you're interested. Basically outlines how the US, Israel & Jordan supported the Muslim Brotherhood during some civil wars, in particular Israel backed Ahmed Yassin, which led to the establishment of HAMAS. The Israelis saw HAMAS as a viable alternative to the PLO which was gaining too much support. The book gets into a fair bit of detail on Shin Bet and how they helped craft HAMAS thinking they could control it

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805076522/centerforcoop-20

The first complete account of America's most dangerous foreign policy miscalculation: sixty years of support for Islamic fundamentalism

Devil's Game is the gripping story of America's misguided efforts, stretching across decades, to dominate the strategically vital Middle East by courting and cultivating Islamic fundamentalism. Among all the books about Islam, this is the first comprehensive inquiry into the touchiest issue: How and why did the United States encourage and finance the spread of radical political Islam?

Backed by extensive archival research and interviews with dozens of policy makers and CIA, Pentagon, and foreign service officials, Robert Dreyfuss argues that this largely hidden relationship is greatly to blame for the global explosion of terrorism. He follows the trail of American collusion from support for the Muslim Brotherhood in 1950s Egypt to links with Khomeini and Afghani jihadists to cooperation with Hamas and Saudi Wahhabism. Dreyfuss also uncovers long-standing ties between radical Islamists and the leading banks of the West. The result is as tragic as it is paradoxical: originally deployed as pawns to foil nationalism and communism, extremist mullahs and ayatollahs now dominate the region, thundering against freedom of thought, science, women's rights, secularism--and their former patron.

Wide-ranging and deeply informed, Devil's Game reveals a history of double-dealing, cynical exploitation, and humiliating embarrassment. What emerges is a pattern that, far from furthering democracy or security, ensures a future of blunders and blowback.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

The Israeli psychotic crime government probably created Hamas just as an excuse to kill more Palestinians

there........we gauge the caliber of the argument, lol. ignorance; plain and simple.

not one retort from you fasco-pussies to my point of Sephardic deportations. no answer to why Judea......is the homeland of the Fakestinians.

there has been a population exchange. Israel took its people in.........the Harib, did not. fuck them.
my people will kill all of you, and every Harib, every dog, cat, goat.........
read the play book. Exodus.


the Arabs chose the game. it should indeed be played out.

 

[earnest_voice]

there........we gauge the caliber of the argument, lol. ignorance; plain and simple.

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http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/background-image/children-of-jihad/

We gauge the caliber of your argument.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Put down your banjo and read your own links dumbass



49 The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.



45 Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

46 Restrictive measures affecting their property shall be cancelled, in accordance with the law of the Detaining Power, as soon as possible after the close of hostilities.

49 In no circumstances shall a protected person be transferred to a country where he or she may have reason to fear persecution for his or her political opinions or religious beliefs.

49 The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.



Article 33 is derived from Article 50 [ Link ] of the Hague Regulations: "No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they can not be regarded as jointly and severally responsible".

1000+ dead Palestinians for the murder of 3 Israeli teens is collective punishment. Many IDF soldiers have confessed to being a part of such actions (Reprisal Attacks).

Pick one http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database.



Read the document moron. The illegal settlements aren’t occupied for self defence or to “directly benefit the native population”

51 Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.



All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.



Pertains to human rights/equal rights and self-determination of peoples.



Yes it’s apartheid.

Article I

1. The States Parties to the present Convention declare that apartheid is a crime against humanity and that inhuman acts resulting from the policies and practices of apartheid and similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination, as defined in article II of the Convention, are crimes violating the principles of international law, in particular the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and constituting a serious threat to international peace and security.

2. The States Parties to the present Convention declare criminal those organizations, institutions and individuals committing the crime of apartheid.

Article II

For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:

i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;

ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;

iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;

b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;

c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;

e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;

f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."



http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/12/18/israelwest-bank-separate-and-unequal

Also Israel’s support of HAMAS as a counterpoint to the PLO is more blowback.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/

The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

You provided every link which refutes your bullshit and open white supremacy

and still none of that pertains to whats happening in gaza and the west bank.

yes, I provided the links because you were too lazy or stupid to bother with anything more than a pointless copy/paste with no attribution of it's source.

that you dont understand the language in those documents is obvious to all.


dont bother to keep trying, i have no interest in wasting my time explaining this shit to you.

 

[Dr Kynes]

A vote for bush was a de facto vote for saudi arabian terrorists. Not very jewish of you schmuck

i am not jewish, you putz.

i realize that calling me a jew is really your only recourse since you cant argue your points and your narrative is absurd, and in your feeble mind, calling somebody a jew is the best way to "disprove" their arguments, but only your fellow anti-semites believe such nonsense

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

I am an atheist Sephard. and I would run Arabs over, with a chariot. I do not apologize for my enmity; it is well-earned.

the Bahai, the Jews, the Amahdi, the Christians, the homosexuals, women.........all have a casus belli with the Caliphate. and with people that deny our plight.

in addition......Israel welcomes the newest escapees from the Caliph, the Christians of Southern Sudan! guess who their best friend is.

 

[earnest_voice]

and still none of that pertains to whats happening in gaza and the west bank.

yes, I provided the links because you were too lazy or stupid to bother with anything more than a pointless copy/paste with no attribution of it's source.

that you dont understand the language in those documents is obvious to all.


dont bother to keep trying, i have no interest in wasting my time explaining this shit to you.

You provided the proof that disproved your false ASSerstions.

Israel is indeed in violation of the 4th Geneva conventions, international law and multiple UNSCR.

Keep spinning your wheels though, your long winded responses are hilariously moronic

i am not jewish, you putz.

i realize that calling me a jew is really your only recourse since you cant argue your points and your narrative is absurd, and in your feeble mind, calling somebody a jew is the best way to "disprove" their arguments, but only your fellow anti-semites believe such nonsense

WOW, way to live up to the name of Grandmaster.

 

[earnest_voice]

Israel welcomes the newest escapees from the Caliph, the Christians of Southern Sudan! guess who their best friend is.

WOW you too...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2012/06/israel-and-its-black-immigrants

WHAT it lacks in numbers, an anti-migrant rally in southern Tel Aviv makes up for in noise. An eight-year-old boy, egged on by his French mother, shakes at his fist at Africans, peering out of their top-floor window at the commotion below. A boy in his early teens makes animal noises at African passers-by, including an Ethiopian Jew. And Baruch Marzel, a veteran rabblerouser from the West Bank Jewish settlement of Hebron, hands out leaflets offering free self-defense training. Someone carries a flag proclaiming, "We are all Kahane", a reference to Meir Kahane, a naturalised American rabbi who campaigned for the expulsion of non-Jews from Israel and the occupied territories. "This is the only homeland we have," they chant in chorus.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm?year=2013&dlid=220356#wrapper

The UNHCR raised specific concerns over the government’s use of voluntary return of detained migrants; the government’s failure to provide individual refugee status determinations for all migrants of sub-Saharan African origin, including Eritreans and Sudanese; and the government’s continued use of “anti-infiltrator” laws, which impose long-term detention (including the possibility of indefinite detention) on all individuals who enter the country irregularly, including asylum seekers and their children. The amended Prevention of Infiltration Law defines all irregular border crossers as “infiltrators” and gives authorities the discretion to detain these individuals for unlawful entry, even if they request asylum.

According to NGOs the Ministry of Interior began accepting asylum claims of detained Eritreans and Sudanese in February and began to provide asylum seekers in detention with the procedures to apply for asylum in March. The ministry examined 250 of the 1,800 asylum requests filed by Eritreans and Sudanese. Of those requests it rejected 155 claims, approved none, and made no decision on the remainder.

Government officials and media outlets periodically referred to asylum seekers as “infiltrators” and characterized them as directly associated with increases in crime, disease, and vagrancy. Beginning in July, the government adopted new protocols that broadened the definition of crimes under which illegal migrants can be detained. NGOs argued that the protocols were punitive.

 

[tobinates559]

how anyone could defend Israel is beyond me, how many Israeli civilians have died from Hamas rockets??? and how many civilians in Gaza have died as a result of this??

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

how anyone could defend Israel is beyond me, how many Israeli civilians have died from Hamas rockets??? and how many civilians in Gaza have died as a result of this??

with that type of reasoning, many things must be "beyond you."

 

[bird mcbride]

All these war mongers need to upgrade thier weapons.
292 gallons of diesel saturated 34-0-0 sitting on a cryo tank wih about 15-30kg's of matalic hydrogen. Something every farmer can own.

 

[bird mcbride]

What happens when a gun is tossed into a cage full of monkeys ?

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

All these war mongers need to upgrade thier weapons.
292 gallons of diesel saturated 34-0-0 sitting on a cryo tank wih about 15-30kg's of matalic hydrogen. Something every farmer can own.

Matalic Sedan DeVille?

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

What happens when a gun is tossed into a cage full of monkeys ?

well, we certainly can see what happens when Earl throws a fuck into cousin Starlene behind the Winn Dixie........"Palestinian supporters."

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

Put down your banjo and read your own links dumbass



49 The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.



45 Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

46 Restrictive measures affecting their property shall be cancelled, in accordance with the law of the Detaining Power, as soon as possible after the close of hostilities.

49 In no circumstances shall a protected person be transferred to a country where he or she may have reason to fear persecution for his or her political opinions or religious beliefs.

49 The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.



Article 33 is derived from Article 50 [ Link ] of the Hague Regulations: "No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they can not be regarded as jointly and severally responsible".

1000+ dead Palestinians for the murder of 3 Israeli teens is collective punishment. Many IDF soldiers have confessed to being a part of such actions (Reprisal Attacks).

Pick one http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database.



Read the document moron. The illegal settlements aren’t occupied for self defence or to “directly benefit the native population”

51 Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.



All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.



Pertains to human rights/equal rights and self-determination of peoples.



Yes it’s apartheid.

Article I

1. The States Parties to the present Convention declare that apartheid is a crime against humanity and that inhuman acts resulting from the policies and practices of apartheid and similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination, as defined in article II of the Convention, are crimes violating the principles of international law, in particular the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and constituting a serious threat to international peace and security.

2. The States Parties to the present Convention declare criminal those organizations, institutions and individuals committing the crime of apartheid.

Article II

For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:

i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;

ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;

iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;

b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;

c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

d. Any measures, including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;

e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;

f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid."



http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/12/18/israelwest-bank-separate-and-unequal

Also Israel’s support of HAMAS as a counterpoint to the PLO is more blowback.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2002/06/18/Analysis-Hamas-history-tied-to-Israel/UPI-82721024445587/

The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

You provided every link which refutes your bullshit and open white supremacy

wow....makum big laws. luvsem arabs. protect, protect.......

not one fucking sentence, protecting the mizrachi. not a fucking word. where is that in there?
1.2 million. half of Israels population came from the Middle East......... including Israel. not that it matters. Israel is the home of all Jews, and "one day we may be forced, to pull down the very pillars of humanity, before we allow even one Jew to be marched of to death."




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