12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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Fiveleafsleft said:
Very good! ppm and EC both measures electrical conductivity, just on different scales. 500 ppm = EC 0.714. So that's not high at all. they should easely be able to handle a ppm of 750-900 ppm given that your coco isn't very salty. if you water a plant very slowly and catch the runoff, you can measure that runoff to get an idea. You don't want the runoff to be much higher than the feeding you give them.
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Because my salt content is unknown, is it safe to assume that if I use a LOT of water on each feeding that it should be flushing as I water?
For example, I'm planning on watering with about 4 gallons today and I'll probably have over 3 gallons of run off. I know this is wasteful of nutes but I don't care about that.
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Hot Diggity Sog said:
I have not read that but I will right now.

I have never removed fan leaves (at least that I can remember) so I will have to not only be careful but will need to do some controlled tests. Perhaps I will do no defoliating on some, minor on some and major on some and just log the results.

Here is another grower that I studied and his results are undeniable:
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/149813-2-liter-hempy-sog-4.html
He is pretty dialed in and defoliates at day 21 and again at day 45 if I memory serves.

2L bottles are what...4 or 4.5 inches wide? He has them side by side...no spacing.

I have read about making my own Fem seeds and it is certainly worth a try. Depending on how this experiment goes, I was planning on picking the best 2 or 3 strains and then purchasing regular seeds from Attitude and simply grow these out and pick what appears to to be the best male and female from each strain and interbreed to create my own seed stock.
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Missed this post: Yeah that guy seems to have dialed in his strain pretty well! Kudos to him! Dealing with clones is an advantage in that way!
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Yeah :) or you can be lazy! https://4hydroponics.com/site/convert-ppm

"Because my salt content is unknown, is it safe to assume that if I use a LOT of water on each feeding that it should be flushing as I water?
For example, I'm planning on watering with about 4 gallons today and I'll probably have over 3 gallons of run off. I know this is wasteful of nutes but I don't care about that."

True, but, its really a shame to keeps nutes that low and waste a lot of it if you don't have to! Measure the runoff and look after signs of nute burn as you slowly raise the EC... Eh sorry PPM. Is everyone on this forum americans?
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Hot Diggity Sog said:
Regarding making fem seeds, these are the notes I have taken. If anyone has personal experience doing so please chime in!

How to Fem Seeds
http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/1179921-diy-sts-silver-thiosulfate-solution-how-guide-reversing-plants.html

Other chemical based options
gibberellic acid
A Product using G. Acid
http://www.valent.com/Data/Labels/20...004-5005r4.pdf
G. Acid is prolly worth the go.
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It was a long time since i read up on the subject. I do remember that you could buy a prepared spray on ebay. I thing it's super-interesting. You will probably end up with some genetical diversity. More or less, depending on what parents (mother-shemale lol) you use.I think the best way would be to use two genetically distant in-bread lines such as NL or afghani and a stable haze from a reputable breeder, and in that way achieving a pure F1.. Or maybe selfing a very in-bread line.. I'm currently looking at Santa maria, from No mercy seeds for the selfing project. It's supposedly back crossed for 8 generations. Still selfing isn't suposed to really give you the "clone in a seed" we would optimally like to have for gardens like ours.. But maybe close, and incredibly cheap! Not to mention the fun of it! :)
 
Hot Diggity Sog

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I just watered. 15 3" pots and 30 4" pots. 1 Liter volume and 2.3 Liter volume capacities respectively. 5 whole gallons of water PH'd to 6. PPM came in at 505 so this is pretty weak, yes?
In an hour or so I'll measure the amount of run-off I get...Volume, PH and PPM.

Update: Run off came in at 391 PPM @ 6.7 PH. I'm estimating PH cause I have the paper strips.
 
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Fiveleafsleft

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Seems a little low but if your plants are looking healthy keep with what works.
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Feeding them low will not harm the plants.. BUT, feeding them harder could result in quicker growth, and quicker maturing/flowering plants with tighter node spacing... This is less important if you are dealing with clones, cause they will stretch less and kick start flowering. Starving clones can be an excellent way to keep Clones/plants on hold until you have space in your flower room.. Though preferably with a little less light intensity, than a 600 w MH is giving..

Seriously, what would the world look like if we always sticked to "what works"? Maybe we never would have lost that eden.. but we would neither have grown sensimilla, hydrophonicly, under artificial lighting..
 
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Fiveleafsleft said:
Feeding them low will not harm the plants.. BUT, feeding them harder could result in quicker growth, and quicker maturing/flowering plants with tighter node spacing... This is less important if you are dealing with clones, cause they will stretch less and kick start flowering. Starving clones can be an excellent way to keep Clones/plants on hold until you have space in your flower room.. Though preferably with a little less light intensity, than a 600 w MH is giving..

Seriously, what would the world look like if we always sticked to "what works"? Maybe we never would have lost that eden.. but we would neither have grown sensimilla, hydrophonicly, under artificial lighting..
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My advice was sound, keeping it simple prevents you from burning your plants and some strains don't need 1500 ppms. I apologize mr expert I promise I won't offer any advice anymore.

In fact, if you want to know what is going wrong with your grow if anything the best way to eliminate the details is to use the same thing you have been using. It is easier to adjust something that is constant than it is to try and play guess n check.
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Pass it Around said:
My advice was sound, keeping it simple prevents you from burning your plants and some strains don't need 1500 ppms. I apologize mr expert I promise I won't offer any advice anymore.

In fact, if you want to know what is going wrong with your grow if anything the best way to eliminate the details is to use the same thing you have been using. It is easier to adjust something that is constant than it is to try and play guess n check.
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Sorry if i was a bit harsh, but I've always hated that argument, please don't get offended! It seems to me as you guys are soil growers? Coco is inert and should be treated like hydro! If you think about it that way maybe my advice sounds less absurd.. I've only grown in coco and never in soil, so this is all i know.. I would never suggest going up to 1500 PPM. until the most explosive flowering period, and not all strains takes it well even at that stage. Most of my grows, i haven't past 1300 ppm, and i could never do it in summer time.. But this winter i intend to push it as far as i can. I've read that you can push it further without ill effects if you pull back on nitrogen.. But if that's true remains to be seen.
 
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Sorry if i was a bit harsh, but I've always hated that argument, please don't get offended! It seems to me as you guys are soil growers? Coco is inert and should be treated like hydro! If you think about it that way maybe my advice sounds less absurd.. I've only grown in coco and never in soil, so this is all i know.. I would never suggest going up to 1500 PPM. until the most explosive flowering period, and not all strains takes it well even at that stage. Most of my grows, i haven't past 1300 ppm, and i could never do it in summer time.. But this winter i intend to push it as far as i can. I've read that you can push it further without ill effects if you pull back on nitrogen.. But if that's true remains to be seen.
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My bad dude, not your fault at all. I have some mental issues so until I medicate I can get that feeling like im backed into a wall or whatnot. My apologies for taking it wrong. You are completely right about the coco, I am doing soil for my organic and I have one ebb and flow 2x4 tray that is testing out hydro. I am really surprised at how long my res stays > 1000 ppm. The plants take what they want and leave the rest and the res is nice and clean still. This plant never ceases to amaze me.

My apologies again, im back in the right mindset.
 
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No worries bro! It might also be a clash of culture differences. I know that north European people are more straight forward than Americans, we even talk politics lol. Maybe have to play things more low-key so that I don't scare away people from this thread.. :) The fact that your Rez stays the same should mean that your plants take up nutes and water at an equal pace. The question is if they would drink more if you fed them heavier? I've never done the real hydro-thing, so can't do anything but ask questions.
 
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No worries bro! It might also be a clash of culture differences. I know that north European people are more straight forward than Americans, we even talk politics lol. Maybe have to play things more low-key so that I don't scare away people from this thread.. :) The fact that your Rez stays the same should mean that your plants take up nutes and water at an equal pace. The question is if they would drink more if you fed them heavier? I've never done the real hydro-thing, so can't do anything but ask questions.
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This is my first hydro run ever, I was following the Lucas Formula as it is really simple for someone new to follow. Usually I just use soil but I am searching for the best way that I can grow personally. Once I find out what works for me I will play with the formula more and start taking heavy notes about even the most minute details so I can try to understand more.

I love talking politics and marijuana, I just need to drink my coffee first and have a little smoke. Too many people in my country are more interested in just shooting down each other and not using real evidence for their arguments. I feel like the people here are dropping in intelligence every year. Hardly anyone picks up a book anymore.
 
Hot Diggity Sog

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Day 20 Update

Did an aggressive watering this morning to continue trying to flush the coco. Increased the nutes to 100% of the seedling schedule or 50% of the week 3 Veg schedule. PPM at 500 or so.
Plants are looking pretty good for the most part (I think). I have 2 plants with a noticeable deficiency and I would like feedback if you don't mind. The 2 plants that have the deficiency are labeled accordingly in the attachments. It looks like a Calcium issue to my novice eyes.

I tried to include several overview shots from different angles including one from above.

I am showing good 'ol #7 and #11 in the picture called NL CK.

In the picture called Node spacing, I tried to pick a good example that represents the *average* node spacing. How are we looking?

Barneys Farm Seeds Top Dawg picture is the shortest most compact plant and is looking pretty kick ass.
Barneys Farm Seeds Tangerine Dream has very odd texture to the leaves. This is not new...she has looked this way from the start. Her 2 sisters do not have this texture to them.
Barneys Farm Seeds Chronic Thunder is just a nice looking plant so I took a picture of her.

It seems like the girls are starting to drink now. Before, it seemed like I could water as infrequently as once a week but now I notice a difference in weight when I lift the pots. This is good...even though I will have to water more frequently.

I would love your opinion on how this is going. Do they look to be doing OK?

Thanks!
 

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Mr.Head

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Looking great, if you need to scrap something scrap the Barneys Tangerine dream, it's one of the consistently worst reviewed strains around. I've seen maybe 2-3 growers get something worth actually growing, let alone keeping for more then 1 cycle.
Plants are looking great and healthy. Good job.

Fiveleafsleft said:
No worries bro! It might also be a clash of culture differences. I know that north European people are more straight forward than Americans, we even talk politics lol. Maybe have to play things more low-key so that I don't scare away people from this thread.. :) The fact that your Rez stays the same should mean that your plants take up nutes and water at an equal pace. The question is if they would drink more if you fed them heavier? I've never done the real hydro-thing, so can't do anything but ask questions.
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Americans don't talk politics because of their blind party loyalty, makes for not much of a conversation when their side of the aisle can do no wrong, seems like there are very few Americans that vote for the substance of the candidate rather then what Animal their party is represented by, fuck the elephants you know?. Conservatives are trying to bring that to Canada now, it's worked the last couple elections, this next one is setting up for a huge defeat of their Americanized system.

That's my opinion on why American's don't discuss politics, it quickly gets heated because party loyalty is so ingrained in their culture you might as well be attacking their family members to question their party.
 
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