12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Looking good Diggity when will you be transplanting

I actually won't be transplanting. This experiment is not only about finding suitable strains for 12/12 FS but also on pot size.

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Looking great, if you need to scrap something scrap the Barneys Tangerine dream, it's one of the consistently worst reviewed strains around. I've seen maybe 2-3 growers get something worth actually growing, let alone keeping for more then 1 cycle.
Plants are looking great and healthy. Good job.

Thanks for the kind words. That's too bad about the Tangerine...oh well. I'll be sure to note this regardless if she does well or not.

 

[Mr.Head]

heard DNA's Tangie is good, haven't got a chance to grow any out yet though. Not on the agenda for this year maybe next.

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

heard DNA's Tangie is good, haven't got a chance to grow any out yet though. Not on the agenda for this year maybe next.

Going into this experiment, I was hoping to find 2 or 3 strains out of the 21 that would be good candidates. So even if most of these turn out to be duds I won't be disappointed.

 

[Fiveleafsleft]

Going into this experiment, I was hoping to find 2 or 3 strains out of the 21 that would be good candidates. So even if most of these turn out to be duds I won't be disappointed.

Your plants look great! Will take a closer look when I'm not on my iPhone. But node spacing is tighter than I ever had! it's difficult to achieve with HPS, and to weak LEDs. My next run, when I'm rocking 8 cxa's will be different though!

Can't give you any feedback on deficiencies, never had any problems of that kind, so never looked in to it. Seem like I dirt problem.. At least canna or hesi with coco, never gave me those issues... I think that I back in 2006 had problems with Spin, and that it gave my leafs brown spots and slightly stunted the growth.. Maybe will get better when you go heavier on the feeding. My only advice so far LOL!

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Your plants look great! Will take a closer look when I'm not on my iPhone. But node spacing is tighter than I ever had! it's difficult to achieve with HPS, and to weak LEDs. My next run, when I'm rocking 8 cxa's will be different though!

Can't give you any feedback on deficiencies, never had any problems of that kind, so never looked in to it. Seem like I dirt problem.. At least canna or hesi with coco, never gave me those issues... I think that I back in 2006 had problems with Spin, and that it gave my leafs brown spots and slightly stunted the growth.. Maybe will get better when you go heavier on the feeding. My only advice so far LOL!

I posted my deficiencies in the Plant Problems forum and I got a report of a possible Manganese toxicity so I will no longer be using CalMag and stick with my nute regiment and will be slowly increasing PPM as you suggested. Thanks for looking!

 

[Fiveleafsleft]

Looking great, if you need to scrap something scrap the Barneys Tangerine dream, it's one of the consistently worst reviewed strains around. I've seen maybe 2-3 growers get something worth actually growing, let alone keeping for more then 1 cycle.
Plants are looking great and healthy. Good job.



Americans don't talk politics because of their blind party loyalty, makes for not much of a conversation when their side of the aisle can do no wrong, seems like there are very few Americans that vote for the substance of the candidate rather then what Animal their party is represented by, fuck the elephants you know?. Conservatives are trying to bring that to Canada now, it's worked the last couple elections, this next one is setting up for a huge defeat of their Americanized system.

That's my opinion on why American's don't discuss politics, it quickly gets heated because party loyalty is so ingrained in their culture you might as well be attacking their family members to question their party.

We have a left wing, right wing situation in Sweden to , but people seem to change party a bit more than in the states.. A big issue in the states is that it's almost impossible for a third party to develop. The limit is what, 15%? So basically a vote on that party is a vote in the sea. Two parties, will generate polarization.. I've found Americans to be very nice people! Outgoing, polite and very good at socializing. And if I generalize a bit I must say that Swedes are more shy, and much worse at conversations people they just met, but better at telling when they disagree. I've heard that the mentality of Canadians and swedes resembles a bit, but hardly ever met any, so can't tell if there's something to it.

 

[patriots1818]

Not harping on you in anyway but those babies look a lil small to be getting fed right now. I know your in coco but you should be able to just water those girls with plain water for a while till they get much bigger. I start all my beans now in perlite and just feed high pH tap water 8.5-9 the first couple weeks. When you flush why do you add calmag and blueplanet? Just use pH'd water. Hope they start to take off soon for you

I found this interesting.. you grow in straight perlite and only give your seeds/seedlings/young plants high pH tap water for the first couple weeks/ What is the advantage to having high pH water during this stage?

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

I found this interesting.. you grow in straight perlite and only give your seeds/seedlings/young plants high pH tap water for the first couple weeks/ What is the advantage to having high pH water during this stage?

I was confused by that as well but forgot to ask. I think when I read it the first time I assumed he meant his tap water was 8.5-9 and he PH'd it down but who knows.

 

[patriots1818]

I was confused by that as well but forgot to ask. I think when I read it the first time I assumed he meant his tap water was 8.5-9 and he PH'd it down but who knows.

Since you stopped giving your plants nutes in early stages and given plain pH'd water have you been successful? At what point should nutes first be given then?

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Since you stopped giving your plants nutes in early stages and given plain pH'd water have you been successful? At what point should nutes first be given then?

Hey Patriots,

Don't confuse what I'm doing and what James said that he is doing. He has been helping me a lot since some of my early problems.

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Since you stopped giving your plants nutes in early stages and given plain pH'd water have you been successful? At what point should nutes first be given then?

So I had a lot of problems early on. Using 60% coco and 40% perlite. I fed too early which caused some burn. Then I was watering daily but very small amounts with no run-off. When I did my 1st heavy watering that generated run-off, my run-off tested at 8.5 PH.

Fast forward a couple weeks and I am now feeding at every water but I am watering them aggressively so I get a lot of run-off. Kind of a pseudo flush on every watering.

The general consensus about when to start feeding is when the 3rd set of real leaves arrives.

 

[patriots1818]

So I had a lot of problems early on. Using 60% coco and 40% perlite. I fed too early which caused some burn. Then I was watering daily but very small amounts with no run-off. When I did my 1st heavy watering that generated run-off, my run-off tested at 8.5 PH.

Fast forward a couple weeks and I am now feeding at every water but I am watering them aggressively so I get a lot of run-off. Kind of a pseudo flush on every watering.

The general consensus about when to start feeding is when the 3rd set of real leaves arrives.

Thanks man. What I got was:
Water daily small amounts no run off in beginning then 3 set of real leaves and bam i start my nutes!

(This would still be okay in 100% perlite hempy bucket method right?)

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

Thanks man. What I got was:
Water daily small amounts no run off in beginning then 3 set of real leaves and bam i start my nutes!

(This would still be okay in 100% perlite hempy bucket method right?)

That sounds probably correct but I'm still learning too! The only advice I would give is to be PH'ing your water from day 1. I was not and I think that led to the PH level in my pots getting too high.

 

[patriots1818]

That sounds probably correct but I'm still learning too! The only advice I would give is to be PH'ing your water from day 1. I was not and I think that led to the PH level in my pots getting too high.

Word man will do.

 

[akhiymjames]

I found this interesting.. you grow in straight perlite and only give your seeds/seedlings/young plants high pH tap water for the first couple weeks/ What is the advantage to having high pH water during this stage?

I just feed the seedlings for the 1st week or two just plain tap water and the reason I do this is cus seedlings don't need much food to grow mainly water. The high pH won't affect them much at all cus they're not really vegging they're establishing roots. Once two weeks hit I begin feeding 1/4 strength of what the nutes call for.

There is no advantage of having high pH but it does take that step of pH'ing the water out. With perlite the main thing is keeping the perlite moist so the roots don't dry out. PH is important once you start feeding cus you want the nutes that your feeding in the right pH range. Hopes I explained this so you understand.

I have 3 seedlings in perlite right now and I started feeding a week early to see if this would help speed them up some. I don't think it will do much but it should help some but I know they would speed up more if I put them under stronger light. They're only under 100 watts of cfl right now

 

[patriots1818]

I just feed the seedlings for the 1st week or two just plain tap water and the reason I do this is cus seedlings don't need much food to grow mainly water. The high pH won't affect them much at all cus they're not really vegging they're establishing roots. Once two weeks hit I begin feeding 1/4 strength of what the nutes call for.

There is no advantage of having high pH but it does take that step of pH'ing the water out. With perlite the main thing is keeping the perlite moist so the roots don't dry out. PH is important once you start feeding cus you want the nutes that your feeding in the right pH range. Hopes I explained this so you understand.

I have 3 seedlings in perlite right now and I started feeding a week early to see if this would help speed them up some. I don't think it will do much but it should help some but I know they would speed up more if I put them under stronger light. They're only under 100 watts of cfl right now

Interesting, dude you explained that perfectly thank you so much lol. Please keep me updated on how starting the nutes a week early went I'm about to start my grow and I'll follow whatever worked best for you lol.

 

[akhiymjames]

Thanks man. What I got was:
Water daily small amounts no run off in beginning then 3 set of real leaves and bam i start my nutes!

(This would still be okay in 100% perlite hempy bucket method right?)

You got it bro. I have my seedlings in small 1gal hempy pots I made out of my daughters McDonald's Halloween Happy Meal buckets lol. Once the roots hit the bottom of the bucket(the res in hempy) you will then want to feed with runoff. This will help with salt build up and give the roots fresh nute water. The main thing with perlite is not let the roots dry out but once it's big enough you don't want to over water. Lift the pot when you first feed and notice the weight come back in a couple days and lift it again see how light it is and that will help you determine if you need to water just don't let perlite dry completely out cus salt will build up and that when problems arise with pH problems and lockout

 

[patriots1818]

I just feed the seedlings for the 1st week or two just plain tap water and the reason I do this is cus seedlings don't need much food to grow mainly water. The high pH won't affect them much at all cus they're not really vegging they're establishing roots. Once two weeks hit I begin feeding 1/4 strength of what the nutes call for.

There is no advantage of having high pH but it does take that step of pH'ing the water out. With perlite the main thing is keeping the perlite moist so the roots don't dry out. PH is important once you start feeding cus you want the nutes that your feeding in the right pH range. Hopes I explained this so you understand.

I have 3 seedlings in perlite right now and I started feeding a week early to see if this would help speed them up some. I don't think it will do much but it should help some but I know they would speed up more if I put them under stronger light. They're only under 100 watts of cfl right now

So after two weeks you give 1/4 of the "full strength" measurements on the back for the nutes? Also did you just put the seeds straight in perlite?

 

[patriots1818]

You got it bro. I have my seedlings in small 1gal hempy pots I made out of my daughters McDonald's Halloween Happy Meal buckets lol. Once the roots hit the bottom of the bucket(the res in hempy) you will then want to feed with runoff. This will help with salt build up and give the roots fresh nute water. The main thing with perlite is not let the roots dry out but once it's big enough you don't want to over water. Lift the pot when you first feed and notice the weight come back in a couple days and lift it again see how light it is and that will help you determine if you need to water just don't let perlite dry completely out cus salt will build up and that when problems arise with pH problems and lockout

LMFAO hahahaha anyways uh another thing i've never quite understood how do you know when the roots have hit the bottom? like is the bucket suppose to be see through or idk?