12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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James:
Do you have any personal experience with defoliating? After going through your posts you don't really have the problem I'm about to have but wanted to ask.

I was watching a Defoliation thread the other day and people get really fired up and upset over this topic so I don't really want to go in there again. lol
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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Hot Diggity Sog said:
James:
Do you have any personal experience with defoliating? After going through your posts you don't really have the problem I'm about to have but wanted to ask.

I was watching a Defoliation thread the other day and people get really fired up and upset over this topic so I don't really want to go in there again. lol
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Man bro stay outta those defol threads. You will get your head chopped off in one of those. They go crazy in those round here and in the canna world period. That is the most debated topic of the canna world and one that I don't get into too much.

My belief tho is you have to grow green leaves in order to get buds right? Yes so that lets you know you need leaves for the plant to be successful in growing buds but I think if you take some leaves that are dying off and some leaves to give the plant some air flow cus we're trying to mimic outside then it's ok but I don't believe in stripping the plant real heavily. It can stunt growth tremendously and if done too much in flower can severely hurt yield and give you airy buds but some people have proof or what they think is proof that shows it increases yields so I guess it's debatable.

As you can see on my plant I still have a lot on it. Most people would have stripped all of the bottom off below the first net. I took a few dead leaves off and some big fans out the middle just a lil at the bottom to give her air cus I don't have much air like I should but most her leaves are on her. So it's up to you bro
 
Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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akhiymjames said:
Man bro stay outta those defol threads. You will get your head chopped off in one of those. They go crazy in those round here and in the canna world period. That is the most debated topic of the canna world and one that I don't get into too much.

My belief tho is you have to grow green leaves in order to get buds right? Yes so that lets you know you need leaves for the plant to be successful in growing buds but I think if you take some leaves that are dying off and some leaves to give the plant some air flow cus we're trying to mimic outside then it's ok but I don't believe in stripping the plant real heavily. It can stunt growth tremendously and if done too much in flower can severely hurt yield and give you airy buds but some people have proof or what they think is proof that shows it increases yields so I guess it's debatable.

As you can see on my plant I still have a lot on it. Most people would have stripped all of the bottom off below the first net. I took a few dead leaves off and some big fans out the middle just a lil at the bottom to give her air cus I don't have much air like I should but most her leaves are on her. So it's up to you bro
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Yeah...only way to find out I guess is to defoliate in a controlled fashion. Some minor some major. Let's face it...with 3" and 4" pots, I'm gunna have to do some leaf management.
 
Hot Diggity Sog

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Spent most of the evening with the ladies looking for signs of over-feeding. Saw a few really minor signs...a few tiny brown tips and a few leafs curling up a little. Lights just went out on me so I'm finished for tonight but I'll check again first thing in the morning and if I have to do a little flush then I will. Thinking tonight's feed was just a tad too strong.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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Hot Diggity Sog said:
Spent most of the evening with the ladies looking for signs of over-feeding. Saw a few really minor signs...a few tiny brown tips and a few leafs curling up a little. Lights just went out on me so I'm finished for tonight but I'll check again first thing in the morning and if I have to do a little flush then I will. Thinking tonight's feed was just a tad too strong.
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Sounds like it's was just a lil but that's ok. Long as you don't see anything drastic the. You should be fine. That lets you now your just past their limit but it's gonna be hard trying to dial in several different strains try keep a nice even balance for all
 
Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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James: Are you going to be around in say...12 hours? lol
Just in case I need to take any drastic flush actions I'd like to check in with you first!
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Like I've said I'm just in the final stage of my 12/12 from seed sog. I had 17 3" pots in rows of 3:4:3:4:3, and can tell you that i will try to give them more space next time. The pot size wasn't a problem a small pot of coco can support a big plant if you just water frequently. But they shaded each other which probably made them stretch more. It's hard to compare grow-rooms though, my chinese leds really gave me what i paid for.. Stronger lights can "handle" crowding in a better way. Anyways, a few of the plants really took of, And i started to defoliate then quite hard in order to stunt there growth. It kind of worked but i'm pretty sure it also delayed/prolonged flowering period.. It's now 3,5 months since start and i only have a few bigger defoliated plants left.. I know that I'm not really giving any advice, but like to share my experiences so that you can draw your own conclusion, and do your own reasoning.
 
Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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Fiveleafsleft said:
Like I've said I'm just in the final stage of my 12/12 from seed sog. I had 17 3" pots in rows of 3:4:3:4:3, and can tell you that i will try to give them more space next time. The pot size wasn't a problem a small pot of coco can support a big plant if you just water frequently. But they shaded each other which probably made them stretch more. It's hard to compare grow-rooms though, my chinese leds really gave me what i paid for.. Stronger lights can "handle" crowding in a better way. Anyways, a few of the plants really took of, And i started to defoliate then quite hard in order to stunt there growth. It kind of worked but i'm pretty sure it also delayed/prolonged flowering period.. It's now 3,5 months since start and i only have a few bigger defoliated plants left.. I know that I'm not really giving any advice, but like to share my experiences so that you can draw your own conclusion, and do your own reasoning.
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Do you have any pictures you can share?
 
Fiveleafsleft

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I know they do look a bit tormented, maybe they are a bit shocked by the strong light, but it's also the end of flowering and they are getting flushed right now.. Don't think the new lights will do much for weight, but probably give me some more trichs. As you can see, despite the heavy defoliating. they do have a lot of leafs. More then they would have had otherwise.. At least the leafs gave me pretty potent canna-butter.. This is how the plants developed during the firs three moths or so:IMG_2311.JPG IMG_2388.JPG IMG_1970.JPG IMG_1990.JPG IMG_2103.JPG
 
Fiveleafsleft

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Hot Diggity Sog said:
If mine get that large I'm going to have a huge problem to face. I don't see any way in hell I can fit 16 per sq/ft...lol
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No that is impossible! You have to start with sexually mature clones of indica heritage to do that. And even then 9 would be considered a very high density.

Give them much light and, snip lower side branching that's getting wider then rest of the plants. And instead of snipping to many leafs, I would also recomend to remove plants that are getting to big or falling behind. You can always make canna butter from leafs and early bud material.. :)

This isn't a problem! slightly bigger plants are more convenient! Less seeds, less watering, less hassle, but more bud. Plants that small would only give you a few grams.. The smallest plants in my grow only gave me 5-10 grams, while the bigger remaining ones hopefully will give me up to an ounce or so.. we will see.
 
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