Put your coffee cup down idiot, YOU offend US

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Rob Roy said:
Racism?? ........ for the millionth time....
I think any person that is forced to interact with another is the real issue. A black person nor a white person should be told that they must interact with anyone. Human interactions should be on a consensual basis and people should respect others property right, the most sacred being "self ownership". You are either purposefully fucking with me or you aren't as smart as I've thought you might be.



How is a free market coercion, if the people that are doing trade are doing so on a consensual basis?

Also you never explained how an Anarchist gets a check from the government. I realize that's like a giant fart at dinner with your mother-in-law, but you are the one eating the beans now aren't you?
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You think there is a contradiction in me being an anarchist and receiving a check from the gov't. I think there is a contradiction in claiming to be an anarchist and paying the gov't a check. So if you pay taxes, you're the one supporting the gov't.

I explained why a "free-market" is coercive. Privatization. There is nothing consensual about privatization. It is pure coercion. Work or starve. Why should people be forced to rely on a market to feed themselves? Why should people be forced to rent their bodies out in order to purchase the means to survive? It is because of privatization of everyfuckingthing.

When you combine that with giving the owner of ill gotten means of production the right to exclude who he or she chooses, they will do so, and as history has shown, they will do so based on skin color. You support their "right" to do so. You have repeatedly affirmed your opposition to civil rights. If people don't have the right to feed themselves, they don't have the right to fucking live.

You call self ownership sacred. I call it retarded.

People are not property at all. Nobody can own a person.

You don't own yourself, you ARE yourself.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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abandonconflict said:
You think there is a contradiction in me being an anarchist and receiving a check from the gov't. I think there is a contradiction in claiming to be an anarchist and paying the gov't a check. So if you pay taxes, you're the one supporting the gov't.

I explained why a "free-market" is coercive. Privatization. There is nothing consensual about privatization. It is pure coercion. Work or starve. Why should people be forced to rely on a market to feed themselves? Why should people be forced to rent their bodies out in order to purchase the means to survive? It is because of privatization of everyfuckingthing.

When you combine that with giving the owner of ill gotten means of production the right to exclude who he or she chooses, they will do so, and as history has shown, they will do so based on skin color. You support their "right" to do so. You have repeatedly affirmed your opposition to civil rights. If people don't have the right to feed themselves, they don't have the right to fucking live.

You call self ownership sacred. I call it retarded.

People are not property at all. Nobody can own a person.

You don't own yourself, you ARE yourself.
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I think taxation is theft as it involuntarily shifts ownership of something. If a person is robbed blaming them for the robbery makes no sense. You are the one benefiting from the proceeds of those robberies though aren't you? That's a choice you made, to take the money. The actual robbery victims "choices" are presented in such a way as to place him in duress. Your example was an attempt to rationalize your acts and to get me to stop revealing your hypocrisy. So, you can admit your hypocrisy or prolong it. You can make a choice, but a robbery victim has his "choices" presented via the gun.

Yes, in a sense somebody can "own" a person. You can own you and that is all the people you can own. Although it may seem that I am owning you by revealing your hypocrisy, I claim no ownership over you.

People aren't forced to rely on a market to feed themselves. Today, I ate eggs, from my chickens. Later today, potatoes and carrots that I grew will be featured. How would you have people feed themselves?


A free market as I see it is the aggregate of a multitude of voluntarily made trades between people. That kind of trade DOES NOT require a state. A state impedes that, by regulation, prohibition, taxation and other nonsense.
It seems like you are trying to get me to defend some other dead horse you'd like to beat apparently.

While I'm willing to continue to discuss things, I'm going to say that your reluctance to address your own hypocrisy and to run from questions makes it difficult to take you seriously.


So, what is private property, who can own it, who can't ?
 
Doer

Doer

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NoDrama said:
He made the best of it. I can tell you as an officer that it gets really old getting saluted all the time. Imagine being the president and every time you leave a car, plane, helicopter there are Marines that Salute. Obama has probably had to make 10,000 salutes so far.Obama isn't in the military so it matters little to me, a former Marine.
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Would you rather salute or hold open the door?
 
kelly4

kelly4

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My kid does everything I tell him to. He makes his bed, brushes his teeth, fetches me beers, rubs my feet, whatever I say. Since I also must feed, clothe, and house him, I would say that I own him. Well, I'm more just kinda leasing him.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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abandonconflict said:
No.

You ask me what can be owned, a person can not be owned. No anarchist believes people can be owned.

You don't own you. You are you.

People aren't property, they have rights.
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Okay. I think you are trying to get the conversation moving in a direction you are more comfortable in, rather than address the obvious hypocrisy I've pointed out. That's alright, it's a little less than I expected from you though. Honest people would make an admission here.....what will you do?

No, people aren't property in the same sense as say an inanimate object. When I say people are property I mean in the sense of "self ownership". Satisfied, Mr. Anarcho - Afraid to face his own hypocrisy and wants to change the subject ?


I own me, in the sense that I am responsible for my actions and that I decide how I will use MY property, but not the property of others. You, on the other hand, believe the property of others, their money, is somehow justifiably yours.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Rob Roy said:
All that side stepping ever get you dizzy?
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It isn't side stepping, it is the very core of anarchism. Nothing strikes deeper into the core of it especially any of the other crap you are trying to focus on. People are not property, people have rights.
 
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