New Wisconsin voter ID Law

[UncleBuck]

More empty calories? Why even bother to post here if you have absolutely nothing to say in the matter?

why do you characterize the facts and evidence about those who do not have voter ID as "absolutely nothing to say in the matter", while trying to characterize your own worthless personal anecdotes as relevant?

why do you bother to post here if you are going to ignore the facts and evidence only to cling to your own personal anecdotes?

 

[Glaucoma]

why do you characterize the facts and evidence about those who do not have voter ID as "absolutely nothing to say in the matter", while trying to characterize your own worthless personal anecdotes as relevant?

LOL, are you kidding me? When I said "absolutely nothing to say in the matter" I was clearly replying to what you said in the quote above it. That's why I quoted it, you dishonest little fuck weasel.

why do you bother to post here if you are going to ignore the facts and evidence only to cling to your own personal anecdotes?

I think it's pretty clear that you've spun out. You refuse to address what seems like every single one of my points and/or questions and insist on doing your little weasel dance instead. I'd like to see you prove me wrong and actually start by maybe focusing on one particular point to talk about, but you can't be trusted at all with carrying out a linear conversation so chances of that are pretty low.

 

[UncleBuck]

You refuse to address what seems like every single one of my points

i've agreed with you on both of the points you are making.

i agree that voter ID will not require voters to have ID, and i agree with you that the facts and evidence about those who have ID are bogus and your personal anecdotes are a much better guide.

so what's wrong then?

I'd like to see you prove me wrong

why would i try to prove you wrong? i agree with you.

your personal anecdotes cannot be proven wrong and the facts and evidence about who does not have ID are all bogus.

further, voters will not need ID under voter ID laws. this simply CAN NOT be proven wrong.

why so hostile about my wholehearted agreement with your intelligent and well thought out arguments?

 

[Glaucoma]

You have major issues, dude. Pretty sure we're done here.

Maybe we can try some other time when you have your big boy pants on.

 

[UncleBuck]

You have major issues, dude. Pretty sure we're done here.

so i agree with you and that means i have issues?

wow, that's a sad statement about YOU.

 

[Glaucoma]

Do you call this latest trolling tactic 'the retard flail'?

Anything to keep from being on point, eh?

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you call this latest trolling tactic 'the retard flail'?

you think i'm trolling because i believe what you are saying?

golly, mister.

 

[Glaucoma]

you think i'm trolling because i believe what you are saying?

golly, mister.

aaaaaaaaaaaand SCENE!

 

[Harrekin]

power-hungry is trying to shit on the voting rights in the constitution in order to suppress votes via voter ID (all because your horrible ideas are so unwelcome and unpopular).

why do you hate the constitution so much?

and furthermore, why did you join a white nationalist group?

Hang on a second, no one is being asked to get a "voter ID" that is specifically for voting.

It's proposed that when you show up to vote, you simply prove that you are eligible to vote and are the person you claim to be.

The right to vote under the Constitution is guaranteed to "citizens", it is not unconstitutional to be asked to prove you are a citizen in order for the above right to be applicable.

If I was studying in the US and had proof of address, what is to stop me from voting under someone else who has my name?

If I claimed to be a citizen, would the cops have a right to check my papers?

 

[reasonevangelist]

Why don't we simply integrate our current ID systems? Are those IDs valid and meaningful, or not?

And if we can't trust the state and federal government's previous attempts at making legit and trust-able IDs, why would this new ID be any different?

Why do we need different IDs for different things? Why can't we just have One?

Would there be any foreseeable issues with having one single ID for everything everywhere?

 

[reasonevangelist]

Voting and elections in and of themselves are not rights.

The extent to which voting has rights only refers to who may be restricted from voting once an election has been declared.

If a particular state wanted to say they were going to hold no election and appoint their senators and electors for the college for the presidency voting rights have not been violated. If we had a right to vote, they would HAVE to hold elections. Just because we do does not mean we have to.

TL; DR, there are voting rights, but no right to vote.

Seems like you're blurring the line between "we" and "they." Not the same thing anymore, yo.

 

[Rob Roy]

Why don't we simply integrate our current ID systems? Are those IDs valid and meaningful, or not?

And if we can't trust the state and federal government's previous attempts at making legit and trust-able IDs, why would this new ID be any different?

Why do we need different IDs for different things? Why can't we just have One?

Would there be any foreseeable issues with having one single ID for everything everywhere?

Yes. There are issues with one single ID. It assumes that there is an entity capable of implementing this plan and that there won't be unintended consequences. There are only two ways to implement a plan that involves other people. With their consent or without it. This plan would involve forcing people to be involved without their individual consent.

Voting forces everyone to be involved as well. Whether a person votes or not, the outcome of the vote impacts them even if they prefer that it doesn't. I don't think using more force is the proper incentive, I'd likely not go along with a one size fits all ID and so would many others.

 

[ChesusRice]

Hang on a second, no one is being asked to get a "voter ID" that is specifically for voting.

It's proposed that when you show up to vote, you simply prove that you are eligible to vote and are the person you claim to be.

The right to vote under the Constitution is guaranteed to "citizens", it is not unconstitutional to be asked to prove you are a citizen in order for the above right to be applicable.

If I was studying in the US and had proof of address, what is to stop me from voting under someone else who has my name?

If I claimed to be a citizen, would the cops have a right to check my papers?

For over 237 years an ID hasnt been necessary for voting in this country.
Republicans have admitted Voter ID is about suppressing the vote
There is no evidence of voter fraud that is even relevant to anything

And yet you still cling to the premise that voter ID is necessary even though it will result in hardship for many who do not have the resources to easily get an ID?

 

[reasonevangelist]

...It assumes that there is an entity capable of implementing this plan and that there won't be unintended consequences.

...This plan would involve forcing people to be involved without their individual consent.

So in other words: the entity who believes and declares themselves fit for forcing people to be involved with things, regardless of consent, and of keeping track of everything every person does or is allowed to do, would have no problem declaring themselves authorized to continue doing as they already are.

The problems they arbitrarily create, are obvious and unacceptable to us... but they continue to simply deny that any "problem" actually exists, while they are the sole proprietors and perpetrators (or perpetraitor?) of these very problems; these "problems" they've created, in order to produce a reaction of demand for their prepackaged "solution," is how they work their system, which is how said system is designed to function.

I would never want to participate in any organized activity that is designed to systematically deprive me of my rights and/or life experiences; which is exactly the system "they" have created to control us, through deprivation of rights and/or life experiences.

It's a shame humanity still can't do better than this.

 

[Doer]

I couldn't give a damn about keeping brothers down or any old shit. i simply want to know if this is somehow different to being able to prove you're allowed to vote. So is this whole voter ID thing different to being able to prove eligibility? Or do you not even have to prove eligibility in the US?

This is about the 9th Amendment. We have freedom from everything not thought of. No new restrictions are defacto legal. So, whenever some new restriction is proposed, it is defacto NOT legal. It has to be vetted against all our other freedoms and restrictions to see if this new one is good for the many in self rule.

Obviously the bad of voter ID, closed borders, etc is far more than the good, or we would do it.

Registration is not ID. Registration is proof of residence and really that is all that is needed.

And since it is State by State but for all States, it has to be somewhat consistent.

IDs are easy to fake. Residency, not so much. So, it is just a political football and don't mean nothin'.

 

[Doer]

yes.

felons aside, any united states citizen has the right (is eligible) to vote.

voter ID would restrict eligibility to vote to only those who can show the correct documents to the government and pay money directly to the government in order to be able to vote.

some people would call that nanny state and a poll tax. the people who are most vocally in favor of this are the libertarians who always bellow about nanny state and government involvement in anything.

their bellowing rings hollow because they are two face hypocrites.

Even felons can get the vote back quite easily if they want

 

[Doer]

I was told that this is about disenfranchising the minority voters.

Who told you that? Voter ID is about more completely disenfranchising the already almost completely disenfranchied amoung us. Not all minorities are poor, and in CA whites are no longer a majority.

White trailer trash are as disenfranchised as anyone, and cannot be forced to have an ID to vote either.

 

[reasonevangelist]

This is about the 9th Amendment. We have freedom from everything not thought of. No new restrictions are defacto legal. So, whenever some new restriction is proposed, it is defacto NOT legal. It has to be vetted against all our other freedoms and restrictions to see if this new one is good for the many in self rule.

Obviously the bad of voter ID, closed borders, etc is far more than the good, or we would do it.

Registration is not ID. Registration is proof of residence and really that is all that is needed.

And since it is State by State but for all States, it has to be somewhat consistent.

IDs are easy to fake. Residency, not so much. So, it is just a political football and don't mean nothin'.

This is where me and the current implementation of "law" reach an impasse: no law that impinges my liberties or infringes my human rights, can be valid or legitimate, and yet, they continue to deploy troops to do violence in the name of enforcing unjust and illegitimate laws, which are based on fundamentally errant assumptions not in accordance with reality. Their cannabis prohibition "laws," are INVALID, because they violate my constitutionally preserved and protected rights.

So... meanwhile, they're still going around imposing violence unjustly and violating a significant portion of the populace's rights, and often ruining or even ending their lives, in the process.

How can i respect such a system, or anyone who would perpetuate it? How can i grant acknowledgement to a clearly invalid law, or the claims of authority, by those who would knowingly enforce injustice?

How does voting actually matter, if it's just political theater?

Why are so many people still so engrossed and hung up on politics?

Can't we move past all that bullshit already?

 

[Doer]

That's your problem, you haven't wasted your life hanging around with shiftless Democrats who are too lazy to get out of bed and get a driver's license. They thought disenfranchise meant "this is in the franchise" for fries with their burgers till Jesse mumbled something incomprehensible about it.

You are lazy if you don't want a drivers license, Adolf?

 

[Doer]

This is where me and the current implementation of "law" reach an impasse: no law that impinges my liberties or infringes my human rights, can be valid or legitimate, and yet, they continue to deploy troops to do violence in the name of enforcing unjust and illegitimate laws, which are based on fundamentally errant assumptions not in accordance with reality. Their cannabis prohibition "laws," are INVALID, because they violate my constitutionally preserved and protected rights.

So... meanwhile, they're still going around imposing violence unjustly and violating a significant portion of the populace's rights, and often ruining or even ending their lives, in the process.

How can i respect such a system, or anyone who would perpetuate it? How can i grant acknowledgement to a clearly invalid law, or the claims of authority, by those who would knowingly enforce injustice?

How does voting actually matter, if it's just political theater?

Why are so many people still so engrossed and hung up on politics?

Can't we move past all that bullshit already?

Come on! It is a political forum and you don't have to be here. How can we move past politics if we don't want to?

No one requires that you respect this system. You have the 9th A, to say you don't have to.

For the rest of it, the elected officials voted or not and that is what we have as OUR LAW.. You cannot change it, at all, as an individual. An individual can only be a symbol of Change, like Martin Luther King. It is collective self rule. Your individual opinion is only of worth, to you and a few followers. Get many followers and make your own laws for us.

And you are no legal scholar so, again, the varied opinions of us amateurs is hardly the point, is it?

Just because you say all that "should be illegal" is meaningless. Obviously all that is quite legal and is why we do it.