Regular vs feminized seeds

[harris hawk]

Have heard that if one can get a female out of regular seeds it's more potent than just getting a feminized seed. For those whom purchase what is your rate of females out of regular seeds; lets say your purchase 5 regular seeds - rate of female plant out of 5 regular seeds.

 

[Grandmah]

Your face

 

[HayStax]

From regular seeds, in theory, you should have about a 50/50 split males to females. If your buying regulars, get a 10 pack. The idea of regular seed being more potent, (I know someone will get passed about me saying this), is not true in terms of the plants intoxicating effects. What you do get from regular seeds (again in theoretic world where all seeds released to the public were truly hardened genetic lines), is a more stable genetic platform, as both male and female flowers from the same plant were not bred together to create the seeds. There's a lot if opinions about fem. seeds as far as the effect on cloning, and what not, but all I'm going to say is please don't breed from fem. seeds.

 

[hydrogreen65]

Just because a bean is feminized doesnt mean it was self pollinated. Most people just collect the pollen to use on other females.

 

[HayStax]

Just because a bean is feminized doesnt mean it was self pollinated. Most people just collect the pollen to use on other females.

Your correct, I should have said, "were created originally from a hermaphroditic situattion..." what Hydro green means is that feminine seed can also be made from two female parents, one of which is forced to grow male parts by a colloidal spray application.

 

[spek9]

... but all I'm going to say is please don't breed from fem. seeds.

Why?

-spek

 

[HayStax]

Why?

-spek

This is an extremely complex topic, that begins with how cannabis is bred in general. I'm going to try not to go to longwith this, but basically, if botanists hot to start fresh with cannabis, they would start there bedding projects with only hardened land race strains, (somewhere between 30-50 generations deep minimum), and bag seed genetics, even epic winners like Chemdog, would not be bred with Until a hardened inbred line was established. Things like feminized seeds, are in a very dumbed down way akin to poorly inbreeding a pure bred dog line, or why many of the oldest, wealthiest, most inbred families suffer from genetic hemophilia. They simply are not stable enough for a legitimate breeding project and the scientific community already have there handful trying to categorize the genetic cesspool of cannabis. Fem. Bred seeds are far more likely to suffer from polypody, and transgenerational non genetic deformation. There's just no good reason to do so, but if your just popping seeds for yourself for meds, go for it.

 

[harris hawk]

From regular seeds, in theory, you should have about a 50/50 split males to females. If your buying regulars, get a 10 pack. The idea of regular seed being more potent, (I know someone will get passed about me saying this), is not true in terms of the plants intoxicating effects. What you do get from regular seeds (again in theoretic world where all seeds released to the public were truly hardened genetic lines), is a more stable genetic platform, as both male and female flowers from the same plant were not bred together to create the seeds. There's a lot if opinions about fem. seeds as far as the effect on cloning, and what not, but all I'm going to say is please don't breed from fem. seeds.

The seeds one get from feminized plants (S-1's) really don't perform well. Your opinion? Thanks for your answer and knowledge

 

[harris hawk]

This is an extremely complex topic, that begins with how cannabis is bred in general. I'm going to try not to go to longwith this, but basically, if botanists hot to start fresh with cannabis, they would start there bedding projects with only hardened land race strains, (somewhere between 30-50 generations deep minimum), and bag seed genetics, even epic winners like Chemdog, would not be bred with Until a hardened inbred line was established. Things like feminized seeds, are in a very dumbed down way akin to poorly inbreeding a pure bred dog line, or why many of the oldest, wealthiest, most inbred families suffer from genetic hemophilia. They simply are not stable enough for a legitimate breeding project and the scientific community already have there handful trying to categorize the genetic cesspool of cannabis. Fem. Bred seeds are far more likely to suffer from polypody, and transgenerational non genetic deformation. There's just no good reason to do so, but if your just popping seeds for yourself for meds, go for it.

Sounds like you might have "breed" before, thanks for new knowledge !! Seems like making your own strain in the next step in cultivation

 

[Mr.Head]

and I've had perfect plants out of femmed seeds and all my garbage runt mutant freaks were from regs. go figure.

 

[Capt. Stickyfingers]

Sounds like you might have "breed" before, thanks for new knowledge !! Seems like making your own strain in the next step in cultivation

Nah. He's just repeating crap he's heard other people say online. If what he said was accurate, dj short's blueberry wouldn't be a mutant hermie mess, inbred lines would be perfect, and all regular seed lines in general would be far less herm prone than the feminized which isn't the case at all. I like how he knows exactly what a botanist would do when breeding with the chems. I wonder if he knows that sam the skunkman has gg4 and is hyped about it.

 

[Capt. Stickyfingers]

Plus, there are too many variables in plants to set anything in stone. All herms are different, S1's from varying strains will not all perform the same. Not all landrace strains are sexually stable, nor are lines worked by humans. No one will ever breed a line that is completely uniform, potent, full of terpenes, vigorous, and sexually stable all in one.

 

[HayStax]

Plus, there are too many variables in plants to set anything in stone. All herms are different, S1's from varying strains will not all perform the same. Not all landrace strains are sexually stable, nor are lines worked by humans. No one will ever breed a line that is completely uniform, potent, full of terpenes, vigorous, and sexually stable all in one.

Everything your saying is very true, I'd probably say most land race strains we know ARE more likely to have hermie traits. And your also totally right about them not being worked by humans, hence the inherent instability. And your also totally 100% correct that the perfect plant with all the perfect traits will never happen, that's kind of where I think terpene extract and isolation will be huge in the future, I think we will probably have a lot more custom blended extracts. And let me make this totally clear, I've never bred in my life, I just have a science background, and try to not let our collective love for cannabis get in the way of the fact that it is still a plant that in many ways, acts and reacts, very much like many many other plants and we need to think about it that way to make the most out of the forthcoming rescheduling by the federal government. Don't get me wrong, there are thousands of stable genetics out there in the form of seeds fem. or reg. with unknown genetic backgrounds, (like I mentioned for example Chemdog) , all I'm saying is that from a hard science based position, breeding with feminine seeds in absolutely not the right way to go about it. We need to be looking at the science that has already been done for us by the agricultural industry, there are so many folks out there, trying to reinvent things for the cannabis industry that have existed for 30 years in commercial horticulture.

 

[skunkd0c]

there are thousands of stable genetics out there in the form of seeds fem. or reg.

i disagree there are thousands of crosses out there most of which are unstable and will show a multitude of phenotypes
this does not mean you will not get a nice plant, but it means more than likely finding a plant that resembles the strain descriptions is unlikely
especially when growing low numbers of plants

since most of the breeders of reg seeds are not really doing much selection work or creating f1s from true breeding IBL parents
i do not think it really matters weather pollen chuckers chuck genuine male pollen around or CS induced female pollen
the results will be multi phenotype offspring either way

if a clone only is known to be true breeding for some of the desirable traits
s1 seeds are possibly the best bet to finding something similar to the mother more so than a backcross or any regular cross imo
i have grown many of my own s1 seeds and on some occasions the plants are like clones of the mother
this is not guaranteed but its a better chance imo


peace

 

[GrowinDad]

I'm no botanist. Nor do I lab test. But all I use are fem seeds. I tend to run 5-6 gens from clones for every time I pop seeds. So clones. Then clones of clones, clones of those, and so on. I have never had a single plant herm on me and my shit seems to be plenty stony.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing on the scientists, breeding best practices, etc. But if OP is just growing, I would say go fem seeds and have fun. They will do you just fine and if they herm, I thin odds are far greater that the grower caused it then some instability in the genes.

 

[HayStax]

i disagree there are thousands of crosses out there most of which are unstable and will show a multitude of phenotypes
this does not mean you will not get a nice plant, but it means more than likely finding a plant that resembles the strain descriptions is unlikely
especially when growing low numbers of plants

since most of the breeders of reg seeds are not really doing much selection work or creating f1s from true breeding IBL parents
i do not think it really matters weather pollen chuckers chuck genuine male pollen around or CS induced female pollen
the results will be multi phenotype offspring either way

if a clone only is known to be true breeding for some of the desirable traits
s1 seeds are possibly the best bet to finding something similar to the mother more so than a backcross or any regular cross imo
i have grown many of my own s1 seeds and on some occasions the plants are like clones of the mother
this is not guaranteed but its a better chance imo


peace

Right on man, I mean stable as in theoretic predictability, whether that means it is known to hermie and have countless phenos, or that it produces a fairly uniform group of offspring. I'm more talking on the deeper genetic history, rather than differences between different filial generations. Thanks for clearing that.

 

[HayStax]

I'm no botanist. Nor do I lab test. But all I use are fem seeds. I tend to run 5-6 gens from clones for every time I pop seeds. So clones. Then clones of clones, clones of those, and so on. I have never had a single plant herm on me and my shit seems to be plenty stony.

I'm not disagreeing or agreeing on the scientists, breeding best practices, etc. But if OP is just growing, I would say go fem seeds and have fun. They will do you just fine and if they herm, I thin odds are far greater that the grower caused it then some instability in the genes.

Definitely man,
I think I said it somewhere up there too, but I'm all for growing fems. and autos for that matter. I would suggest fems. In many cases if just popping seeds for bud.

 

[packetloss314]

Sub, DJ short and Robert Clark all agree ....don't breed fem. And think what you will about subcool ....but short has been at this for over 3 decades. Respect your elders younguns

Many things in nature inbreed especially plants. Doesn't work so well for mammals but plants it seems to be not as big of a deal. I think we can all agree that if the FEMS are from Herm's or from the pollen of a nanner we don't want genes prone to that behavior in our gardens.



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[HayStax]

Sub, DJ short and Robert Clark all agree ....don't breed fem. And think what you will about subcool ....but short has been at this for over 3 decades. Respect your elders younguns

Many things in nature inbreed especially plants. Doesn't work so well for mammals but plants it seems to be not as big of a deal. I think we can all agree that if the FEMS are from Herm's or from the pollen of a nanner we don't want genes prone to that behavior in our gardens.



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I wasn't even going to go there with the Capt. With dissing DJ Short or blueberry. It's just proves a lack of knowledge of DJ, the blueberry strain, and plant science. The occasional late flower hermit traits come from its Highland Thai genes which is a land race full of hermie genes. The seeds released by DJ himself are 5th filial generation seeds which can show hundreds of phenotypes as well as non genetic transgenerational traits, but we can talk cell signaling another place.

 

[packetloss314]

Good info sir. Much respect.

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