majority of employers favor raising minimum wage

NLXSK1

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No, if someone works for you, you should not pay a living wage.

You should pay whatever the both of you agree on.

It is a negotiation and contract between two people. The government does not need to pass more legislation preventing people from freedom of choice.
 

Padawanbater2

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No, if someone works for you, you should not pay a living wage.

You should pay whatever the both of you agree on.

It is a negotiation and contract between two people. The government does not need to pass more legislation preventing people from freedom of choice.
If somebody agreed to be paid by you at $1/hour, would that be OK with you?
 

Padawanbater2

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You're full of shit. In the fast food industry, where many minimum wage jobs are, labor accounts for 22-40% of revenue costs. So that means a federal minimum wage of $10.10 like Rapewan wants could increase prices by 8.65-15.72%.
Oh man, I found your claim, you disingenuous POS..

You took one of the industries with the highest cost to labor ratio and attempted to paint every industry in that light


http://smallbusiness.chron.com/labor-costs-percentage-revenue-food-beverage-24800.html
 

NLXSK1

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From your link

According to the Restaurant Report website, labor costs in the food and beverage industry account for 22 to 40 percent of total sales. In other words, for every $1 in sales, a restaurant spends up to 40 cents in labor costs.

Which industry has more minimum wage jobs??
 

Padawanbater2

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From your link

According to the Restaurant Report website, labor costs in the food and beverage industry account for 22 to 40 percent of total sales. In other words, for every $1 in sales, a restaurant spends up to 40 cents in labor costs.

Which industry has more minimum wage jobs??
Service industries

Yes. You do know many internships are ZERO pay. What two consenting adults agree to is their business and government has no right to get involved.
Then why is there a minimum wage at all?

Do you understand how this issue affects illegal immigration? Low wages increase the incentive for illegal immigrants to cross the border and for domestic employers to hire illegal immigrants under the table
 

NLXSK1

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Service industries



Then why is there a minimum wage at all?

Do you understand how this issue affects illegal immigration? Low wages increase the incentive for illegal immigrants to cross the border and for domestic employers to hire illegal immigrants under the table
Yes, I see that if we raise minimum wage there will not be any jobs so mexicans will stay away.. You r soooo smart!!!

There is a minimum wage because the federal government feels the need to meddle in every aspect of people's lives.
 

Padawanbater2

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Yes, I see that if we raise minimum wage there will not be any jobs so mexicans will stay away.. You r soooo smart!!!

There is a minimum wage because the federal government feels the need to meddle in every aspect of people's lives.
There is a minimum wage because there are employers who share CS' opinion that slave wages are acceptable if consenting parties agree. Most people understand paying employees less than the national poverty limit is bad for everyone because it not only burdens them as individuals, it puts a strain on the economy because they have less money to spend. The middle class is what drives the economy.

Not only are there many logical reasons to support a living wage for full time employees, there are moral and ethical reasons too
 

Dr Kynes

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Employees wages make up a fraction of the price of a product, the rest goes into marketing, production, distribution, etc. If you raise the minimum wage, prices will also rise at a fraction of the cost of the product, and I, as a consumer, as well as the majority of Americans, will gladly absorb that increase if it means the employees of the company providing the product receive a living wage, especially if it means the savings to the American taxpayer are that significant.

Higher wages, lower taxes, seems like a win win to me, but I'm interested in hearing your opposition to said proposition..
you forget, the price of any object is determined by how much the buyer is willing and able to pay.

if youre makin $5 an hour and that $3 cheezburger is within reach, when youre makin $10 that same cheezburger can be priced at dun dun dun...

$6.

and that cheezburger will in fact be priced at whatever the market will bear .

if in fact raisng the min wage had no impact on prices, and thus inflation, why not smply make the min wage $50 an hour and then everybody will be "Middle Class"?

because it wouldnt work, you know it wont work, you know its bullshit, your just playing the incrementalism game.

i would say "camel's nose under the tent" but bucklefuckle would scream about racism.
 

Dr Kynes

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Umm no, a single person in 2 years time costs more than a new spanking $120,000 farm implement.

Obviously you have not heard of China, India, or any other nation that most manufacturing jobs have moved to. Why? Do you think its because of the better weather or something? No, it is because of reduced labor costs. Labor is THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING IN MANUFACTURING!! PERIOD!!

http://www.bcg.com/media/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?id=tcm:12-104216
1/3rd of large manufacturing left in the USA wants to move to China, know why? LABOR COSTS!!
NUH UHH!!! it's cuz REPUBLICANS!! the multi-nationals! the "new world order" (lefty interpretation), the koch brothers (somehow) and racism.
 

Dr Kynes

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If somebody agreed to be paid by you at $1/hour, would that be OK with you?
warren buffet agreed to work for $1 a year as his salary.

wtf is wrong with you?


if i agree to work for $1 /hour then thats MY CHOICE. what business is it if i make $1/ hour or $300 mill/year?

its MY money, MY labour, and MY business, and not yours.
 

Padawanbater2

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warren buffet agreed to work for $1 a year as his salary.

wtf is wrong with you?


if i agree to work for $1 /hour then thats MY CHOICE. what business is it if i make $1/ hour or $300 mill/year?

its MY money, MY labour, and MY business, and not yours.
It is my business

Low wages negatively affect the economy which negatively affects me, and you, and everybody else

American taxpayers are picking up the slack of corporations through safety net programs, I pay taxes

That's why it's my business
 

Harrekin

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Clearly it depends on the size of the company what ratio you would end up with, with larger companies having smaller ratios

Oddly enough, it's the largest companies paying its employees the least

Where is your citation for 45%?
I've worked for companies as management and have seen profit and loss statements.

Anyone who has worked for a company in a position higher than fry-cook will know average labour costs in any company are 30-40% average.

Sure ask Uncle Buck, his scam is that 100% of his business costs are him paying himself to trim.
 

Padawanbater2

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I've worked for companies as management and have seen profit and loss statements.

Anyone who has worked for a company in a position higher than fry-cook will know average labour costs in any company are 30-40% average.

Sure ask Uncle Buck, his scam is that 100% of his business costs are him paying himself to trim.
Then why do I have to ask you 3 times to provide better evidence than "I seen some statements one time.."?
 

Harrekin

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It is my business

Low wages negatively affect the economy which negatively affects me, and you, and everybody else

American taxpayers are picking up the slack of corporations through safety net programs, I pay taxes

That's why it's my business
That is total horse shit.

Businesses are PRIVATE entities and people CHOOSE to work for minimum wage.

Businesses don't force people to work for them, they're not slaves and the business owner is not beholden to them for anything more than the wages agreed in the contract.

The world doesn't work the way you want it to and never will.
 

Harrekin

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Then why do I have to ask you 3 times to provide better evidence than "I seen some statements one time.."?
You can check publicly registered companies financial statements/annual registered accounts online for free.

I'm not providing citations for something which is common sense to anyone who's ever seen a balance sheet.
 

Padawanbater2

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That is total horse shit.

Businesses are PRIVATE entities and people CHOOSE to work for minimum wage.

Businesses don't force people to work for them, they're not slaves and the business owner is not beholden to them for anything more than the wages agreed in the contract.

The world doesn't work the way you want it to and never will.
Nobody chooses to work for minimum wage, they have to

So I disagree with your premise

The reason wages are so low is because business interests rigged the system in their favor, when we enact the 28th amendment sometime in this next decade, the wealth distribution will shift back to the middle class
 
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