st0wandgrow
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Ohh, I don't doubt that for a second. Not much accountability here for cops.
I wish we had something like this in America....
http://iiobc.ca/
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Ohh, I don't doubt that for a second. Not much accountability here for cops.
I wish we had something like this in America....
http://iiobc.ca/
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TonightYou
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Nope, I'm not the paranoid type. We probably live in the best Era yet for human society.
I worked in a hospital. I had to deal with patients with much more contagious diseases. Ebola while terrifying in what it can do to the body, is no where near as contagious as other diseases, not the only type of disease that can cause internal bleeding, nor the only disease with high fatality rate.
I worked in a hospital. I had to deal with patients with much more contagious diseases. Ebola while terrifying in what it can do to the body, is no where near as contagious as other diseases, not the only type of disease that can cause internal bleeding, nor the only disease with high fatality rate.
Amos Otis
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OK. Sorry, if I've been giving your posts less than full attention. I was rushing to reply to several posts, but let me turn some time to you, so that you may feel my dialogue is not disingenuous.
I spent a lot of posts responding to 'blame' posts, because repeated and frequent posts detailing weekly - and now daily - killings of a sworn enemy, were met 100% with 'blame' posts.
By not siding with any position - aggressive action, or withdraw and try to show the jihadists a new repented side - I wanted to see what the 'blame' crowd had in mind for an actual and effective response to the jihadist threat.
Quite honestly, you've got nothing that has any chance whatsoever of being successful. That's not your fault, entirely. It takes two parties wanting a solution for a solution to be agreed upon. And you have one adversary that has no intention of making peace.
As I've said - often - quite the conundrum. Fight them there, but they're now active here. Don't fight them there, and they're still going to fight us here.
So, perhaps I was trolling a bit [if I understand how you're using it], because I see it as a problem that currently has no winnable solution, and current president O inspires no confidence whatsoever that he's up to figuring out and employing any effective response.
If I didn't address something specifically, let me know.
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Amos Otis
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I took this a week ago, @ 28 days. Check out the frost that totally covers the fan leaves !Good to hear bro. Had a hunch that it might!
st0wandgrow
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Yeah, she checks all the boxes for sure.You should be picking up on a pretty funky, grape tone soon now.
I grab that jar often just for a whiff.
TonightYou
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Nope, he's a doctor who knew how to keep an eye on these types of warnings as he treated ebola. Is he not suppose to live his life at any capacity on the off chance he didn't have ebola? Are we to subjugate any or all workers who must come in contact with ebola?
As long as people weren't playing in his shit/piss/blood they are going to be fine.
TonightYou
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That's fair of you, and I don't want you to think it's simply a pile on.
The thing is, you are not really offering any solution or position other than saying essentially "this sucks". Which is fine, but then to simply choose to move the topic instead of addressing the merit of different opinions/options isn't really fair in the conversation.
I don't believe that my position is impossible, I think some parts of what I proposed will be a part of the solution, but who knows? Tomorrow could bring some thing new. Besides I'm not the Decider.
Amos Otis
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Good to have a feel of 'friendly discussion' back today.
You're absolutely right - I offered no solution or position, but I do, in fact, feel I addressed the 'merits' of what little was presented as a solution.
One, was - I'm not gonna worry about it. I understand this, but it's certainly not a solution of any sort, unless stolen from the ostrich play book.
Your position, as I understand it, involves surviving the assaults of this generation of jihadists, while simultaneously pulling completely out of the middle east, and also simultaneously implementing a 'hands off' policy not to kill any more jihadists and hope that future generations recognize our new policies, mellow out, then all is well.
Is that accurate? If so, I'd still say that the immediacy of the problem does not lend itself to decades for a cross-your-fingers type solution.
Each new attack - like yesterday, when a wasted bit of sperm lodged a hatchet into the head of a 22 yr old rookie cop - brings new glory to the 'cause', even though, and especially because it ended in a glorious martyrdom. This, and the Canadian attacks this week, have all been in response to a 'call' from militant leaders of jihad to attack cops and military in N America. What will the next call be - attack Christmas shoppers at malls? If that *is* the call, there are people here - US, Canada, England, down under - just waiting for their opportunity - their day of carrying out their mission for Allah.
Not long ago, the U S hadn't had a terrorist attack on it's soil for nearly 10 yrs after 9/11. Then, a couple of years ago, we began having them now and again....then about one a month, and now ? Did I miss the news conference where someone has implemented new policy
Back to the 'leaky pipe' scenario....my scenario had an unfixable pipe, and no replacement pipes available. To finish the example, do you stay and drown? Or do you concede the situation as irreparable, and look for an alternate plan of escape? Or.....?
TonightYou
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I can never tell why it does that to you! Lol but yes, I enjoy being friendly conversations, particularly with people who may have different opinions. The whole market place of ideas and what not.
I'm not saying, nor do I think I implied, to not be interested nor not involved in the middle east. I am merely saying our current approach isn't effective and hasn't been for quite some time.
That doesn't mean either to let the current situation fester. Just stating the way the area currently is needs much more international support despite the varying interests of the parties involved. ISIL has many adversarial countries which have no desire to have them establishing a strong hold anywhere (Turkey, Syria (Assad, which ironically we don't mind now as he is fighting with these assholes), and the other countries neighboring the region).
All these places have a stake and have the own individual interests as well as histories with one another . It's like herding cats at this point to make a comprehensive solution to this issue.
I'm not saying, nor do I think I implied, to not be interested nor not involved in the middle east. I am merely saying our current approach isn't effective and hasn't been for quite some time.
That doesn't mean either to let the current situation fester. Just stating the way the area currently is needs much more international support despite the varying interests of the parties involved. ISIL has many adversarial countries which have no desire to have them establishing a strong hold anywhere (Turkey, Syria (Assad, which ironically we don't mind now as he is fighting with these assholes), and the other countries neighboring the region).
All these places have a stake and have the own individual interests as well as histories with one another . It's like herding cats at this point to make a comprehensive solution to this issue.
Amos Otis
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Okay...try not to get irked, but I edited your post to the 3 main [ imo ] points. In doing so, I think you'll find some of what I've been trying to show all along [ ta daa !]. That:
1. The current approach is demonstrably failed. [ my comment - and leadership is not offering another approach - only reaction to events, which is no strategy. ]
2. More international support is a must. [ my comment - Canada was just 'punished' for joining in international support. They're calling it their 911. When Spain got involved vs jihadists a few years ago, they experienced their own 911 terror attack, and have not participated since. Australia has recently thwarted several terror plots in their homeland; England is experiencing an onslaught of terror events in their country, and now harbors a large militant Islamic population - as likely does most countries.. To say a vast segment of citizens now incorporate fear into their daily psyche would be somewhat understating it. Summary: the international support isn't coming. What is coming, is more chaos in each coalition nation. ]
3. Cats are near impossible to herd, as you point out. Throw some miltant cat killers into the mix, and it's a hope that no reasonable person should pin their hopes on.
Any other ideas?
TonightYou
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We must admit that lone wolf's will always be a threat. Unless you want to get into thought crime scenarios, we must expect and have training in place to respond to such actions. A guy with a hatchet is bad, but so are school shooters and the like. It's not a new phenomenon just different actors. That cop killer in Pennsylvania is still on the loose. Unless you desire to further restrict constitutional freedoms, we are bound to have individual incidents occurring. Better and more accurate Intel should be used to identify and keep an eye on suspected individuals but our mess of a security apparatus is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Amos Otis
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Funny thing about that:
No way the politically correct risk offending delicate Muslim sensibilities, eh? What self-respecting aspiring jihadist murderer wouldn't exploit that?
...in most every case, it's revealed later that the 'perps' were "on the radar", but no preventive action taken because they had yet to commit their crime, or have a plot infiltrated.
No way the politically correct risk offending delicate Muslim sensibilities, eh? What self-respecting aspiring jihadist murderer wouldn't exploit that?
TonightYou
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Did you miss the years NYCPD basically ran it's own FBI unit? They didn't even stop the bombing at times square. Yet how many rights did they violate? How many jurisdictions did they improperly operate in? How much waste in tax dollars?
And what protection did we get for that? None.
The same applies for the NSA. When one in three Americans are in an FBI database, you can bet most were "on their radar", because everyone technically is.
And what protection did we get for that? None.
The same applies for the NSA. When one in three Americans are in an FBI database, you can bet most were "on their radar", because everyone technically is.
Amos Otis
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Gosh.
Sounds like you have little faith in the ability /capability of the nation to protect it's citizens. Who do you blame for that?[[ just kidding !! `]]
Quite the conundrum........jihadists are here and active, native whackos are latching on to the call to murder, there is no known plan in place to effectively counter them [ nor on the way, it appears ], and those first defenders [cops and military] are among the first to be targeted and executed.
That last part can't be good enticement for those who are / were considering a career in law enforcement / military. Which then can't be good for citizens who depend on those people for protections from mayhem.
Surely there's a rainbow, and a cloud w/ a silver lining on the horizon, right? Maybe you could point out where those are?
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TonightYou
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I'm a realist, shit happens. People are independent actors. I don't have faith in the military security complex and security bull shit theater, but if one won't restrict weapons availability to those with mental health issues and offer stronger funding for public education as well as mental health, shits going to happen.
People get murder everyday for different reasons, hardly changes the fact that innocent people are murdered. A crazy religious fundamentalist is par for the course.
People get murder everyday for different reasons, hardly changes the fact that innocent people are murdered. A crazy religious fundamentalist is par for the course.
Amos Otis
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What do you have faith in, regarding N America's safety and security?