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TonightYou

TonightYou

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OGEvilgenius said:
My dad's a physician and he doesn't live far away. I live on a small island that's pretty tight knit with a lot of locally skilled folks and a lot of highly rich farm land. I'm in a good position, although we're probably all fucked anyway, I have little faith in humanity overall due to the sociopath influence combined with most folks willingness to bend to sociopaths out of pure fear (the latter quite well established in psychology research).
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Well your island will be fucked so there's that, but yeah we all die so we're all fucked from the minute we are born so may as well enjoy the ride
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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TonightYou said:
It needs to be regulated not imploded. No one benefits from that occurrence. You have family and friends who are retired? Children who are trying for a future? Any form of savings that you've worked hard for? So do millions.

If you have a link I'd like to read that as well. Im about finished with Capital in the 21st century anyways.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html

There's a link to the study in the article.

As far as the system goes, it needs to be imploded. I studied economics for many years. In school and out. If you give control of the financial system to a small number of people and then make it debt based, what we see today will ALWAYS be the result. And your savings will always be stolen from you (commonly through inflation but also through simple inabilty to withdraw due to a bank closing it's doors because none of them are solvent due to fractional reserve banking). You realize that the bank doesn't actually have your money in their accounts?

In fact it was recently agreed by WTO members that depositors are not the most senior creditors a bank has. They are just another liability. Do you know what happened with the bail in in Cyprus? Do you know what happened to failed banks in the 30's? In the 30's depositors were rightfully recognized as the most senior creditors a bank has... because this is how it's supposed to be.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanlewis/2013/05/03/the-cyprus-bank-bail-in-is-another-crony-bankster-scam/

^^^ Explains pretty well some of the schemes used to rob people during the Cyprus bank heist by the bankers.

Do you actually think regulations will save you? Because they won't. And if they are written, they will be written by the same monied interests for their own benefit, as per usual - and not yours. Regulations have the force of law behind them, but frequently are changed or adjusted arbitrarily, making them exceptionally dangerous in my experience. Big companies regularly hide behind them to get away with horrible shit. For example fracking. They inject the ground with all sorts of nasty experimental chemicals. Some of these chemicals have turned up in water supplies in Canadian towns - towns seeing things like increased rates of cancer. What happens when the company is sued? Suit is thrown out because regulations and intellectual property law protect them completely.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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I can agree with parts of your sentiments, and facts you've mentioned, but not necessarily the conclusion.

Thanks for the link, I'll be reading it over.

Now is time to trim though
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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TonightYou said:
I can agree with parts of your sentiments, and facts you've mentioned, but not necessarily the conclusion.

Thanks for the link, I'll be reading it over.

Now is time to trim though
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There's no other conclusion you can reach that's reasonable. Regulations are created as barriers to competition more than to protect anyone and there's huge piles of evidence to suggest as much.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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OGEvilgenius said:
There's no other conclusion you can reach that's reasonable. Regulations are created as barriers to competition more than to protect anyone and there's huge piles of evidence to suggest as much.
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Barriers that can protect the environment, the employee, and others. If that's a bad thing than perhaps you have a better idea.

I do agree with you often times they are misappropriated, changed at will, and imperfect.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Let's look at regulatory bodies some more: THe FDA - run by large pharmaceutical companies and biotech giants for their own benefit. Approving all kinds of shit and giving it regulatory shielding - shit that it really shouldn't be approving. GMO crops stand out as they have the potential to pollute other crops, not to mention how uncertain we can be of their actual safety. Because they had regulatory approval they could go ahead and not worry about the ramifications. Without those protections they would be much more open to lawsuits from farmers who wanted no part of their wonderous new technology and consumers who aren't interested in drinking/eating glycophosphate with every meal (and as a result probably would have slowed their roll in the release).

Of course intellectual property law also provides them with leverage to move ahead with this work. IP law is total authoritarian human race destroying garbage too.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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TonightYou said:
Barriers that can protect the environment, the employee, and others. If that's a bad thing than perhaps you have a better idea.

I do agree with you often times they are misappropriated, changed at will, and imperfect.
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They're constantly used for wrong. These Canadian folks I mentioned are dying of cancer and have no recourse thanks to regulatory and IP law. Regulations allow the injection of foreign material. IP law hides exactly what is in those injections. Courts throw out cases on these premises. Despite the fact that mystery chemicals can be found in the drinking water, can be demonstrated to not have been there prior to fracking operations started and cancer rates rising (all within an appropriate time frame to make conclusions about the cause of said cancer).
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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OGEvilgenius said:
Let's look at regulatory bodies some more: THe FDA - run by large pharmaceutical companies and biotech giants for their own benefit. Approving all kinds of shit and giving it regulatory shielding - shit that it really shouldn't be approving. GMO crops stand out as they have the potential to pollute other crops, not to mention how uncertain we can be of their actual safety. Because they had regulatory approval they could go ahead and not worry about the ramifications. Without those protections they would be much more open to lawsuits from farmers who wanted no part of their wonderous new technology and consumers who aren't interested in drinking/eating glycophosphate with every meal (and as a result probably would have slowed their roll in the release).

Of course intellectual property law also provides them with leverage to move ahead with this work. IP law is total authoritarian human race destroying garbage too.
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Find me your idea of perfect, I'll find you a problem in any system.

I do agree with you on your points though. Those are instances of favoring industrial and those who back it. This is all due to campaign fundraising. The direct relationship of money and politics at play.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Amos Otis said:
LOL....you bet - this is, as they say 'pedazo de la torta'.

I have no stats at the ready, so let's move to paragraph 2, first sentence. My reply:
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Anythiing else?
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check the polls.

america is more respected by the world than we have been in many administrations.

that's just a fact.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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OGEvilgenius said:
Oh he made a thread about how great minimum wage is, like it actually matters or makes a real difference. It doesn't.
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no, i was actually rebutting your factually-challenged version of what happens when min wage goes up.

you claimed that an equilibrium is reached whereas buying power is left the same or diminished. i pointed out that the BLS numbers do not bear this out, and also pointed out that an increase in the minimum wage puts pressure on lower percentile wages as well.

in other words, that rising tide really does lift all boats, unlike reagan's supply side pipe dream.

if you want to enter into a conversation int he politics section, please be sure to bring facts next time, not false talking points with no basis in reality taken directly from the GOP playbook.

thanks in advance.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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There is no perfect. That's my point. The problem with your position, is it's exceptionally and extremely utopian to trust anyone in any major position of power that is human. Which is why i favor decentralizing power extensively. Regulations are very much a centralization of power. Worse, they are a form of power that is largely unchecked. You can't vote out your regulators. You can only hope those you elect do something with them (assuming they even can, because often they cannot or will not for other reasons... ie: Blackmail or personal self interest).

Governments have a monopoly on force and all through history are used to help the few at the expense of the many. Hence my beliefs that governments should not have much power at all. That society needs to be responsible for itself because if you give one person power over others they will abuse it for their own gain.

I never said it would result in perfection. But I'll tell ya, if for example hemp was completely legal and unregulated, the amount of industry that would be possible EVERYWHERE, completely decentralized - it would be unbelievable. Energy needs could be met. Material needs. Food. You name it. It's big reason the plant is illegal in the first place - it's a massive threat to mega industry that's easy to control (like for example oil drilling operations... not so easy for anyone to get started in that game).

But that doesn't happen. You can thank the law and regulation for it.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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UncleBuck said:
no, i was actually rebutting your factually-challenged version of what happens when min wage goes up.

you claimed that an equilibrium is reached whereas buying power is left the same or diminished. i pointed out that the BLS numbers do not bear this out, and also pointed out that an increase in the minimum wage puts pressure on lower percentile wages as well.

in other words, that rising tide really does lift all boats, unlike reagan's supply side pipe dream.

if you want to enter into a conversation int he politics section, please be sure to bring facts next time, not false talking points with no basis in reality taken directly from the GOP playbook.

thanks in advance.
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You are incredibly stupid. You lift up one group, barely, at the expense of another. How's your fucking rent idiot? You cite food prices. Rent prices have skyrocketed since the 80's relative minimum wage. You selectively take one piece of data, claim victory and do your little retarded dance about the Republican party (which I have no affiliation with or love for) or racism or whatever other ad hominem you want to throw out to distract from your incredibly stupid points of contention.

The minimum wage does not fucking matter. Americans as a whole have been continually getting poorer and poorer and that isn't going to change. Well, actually, the very top level Americans are doing great. But that's because everything your government does is for their benefit. Even the great minds at Princeton can see and acknowledge that and they're not exactly a bastion of libertarian thought.
 
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