Man-made global warming is a lie and not backed up by science, claims leading meteorologist.

jahbrudda

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"Across the world, many records reveal that the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium."

~http://www.odlt.org/dcd/docs/soon_bal_climate_res_paper.pdf

whoops.

peer reviewed and deemed so dangerous by Mann et al that they tried to suppress it, and declared that the journal which published it should be blackballed.
These idiots have supplied data in their citations supporting the same thing and didn't even know it.
UB claimed that the amount of co2 in our atmosphere hasn't been this high in 8,000 years, well how the f..k did it get that high 8,000 years ago?

Looney liberal logic.
 

UncleBuck

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These idiots have supplied data in their citations supporting the same thing and didn't even know it.
UB claimed that the amount of co2 in our atmosphere hasn't been this high in 8,000 years, well how the f..k did it get that high 8,000 years ago?

Looney liberal logic.
800,000 years actually.

how do you suppose it got that high?

:lol:




termite farts?
 

jahbrudda

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"Global temperatures are warmer than at any time in at least 4,000 years, scientists reported Thursday, and over the coming decades are likely to surpass levels not seen on the planet since before the last ice age."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/science/earth/global-temperatures-highest-in-4000-years-study-says.html

Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.

By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bering Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America from Asia.

Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
 

Dr Kynes

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These idiots have supplied data in their citations supporting the same thing and didn't even know it.
UB claimed that the amount of co2 in our atmosphere hasn't been this high in 8,000 years, well how the f..k did it get that high 8,000 years ago?

Looney liberal logic.
the really funny part is "the icecaps are melting, and soon they will be gone!!!1!!one!!1!11!uno!!"

yet we are currently in an Interglacial but ice core data can only go back ~800,000 years because the last interglacial was characterized by TOTAL MELTING OF THE POLAR ICE CAPS.

the Holocene is warm, sure, and it's been warming fairly consistently for 11,000 years (but only that last 100 years counts)

but even within the Holocene, it has been MUCH warmer, and MUCH colder all without any help from Big Oil.
 
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Dr Kynes

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"Global temperatures are warmer than at any time in at least 4,000 years, scientists reported Thursday, and over the coming decades are likely to surpass levels not seen on the planet since before the last ice age."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/science/earth/global-temperatures-highest-in-4000-years-study-says.html

Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.

By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bering Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America from Asia.

Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

wait! are you suggesting that there was Global Warming BEFORE the Koch Brothers??

'Cest Impossible!!

the Koch Brothers and Big Oil must have used a Time Machine to travel back into the past and alter history, ensuring the rise of Hitler and their own wealth by "stealing" natural resources and taking the "Cargo" of the less fortunate equatorial/southern hemisphere peoples.

it's Racism pure and simple, and since this is my new "Theory" it's now a "Fact" because "Theories" are "Facts" made up of "Facts", and are thus immutable and unassailable.

Solution: Smash Capitalism!!
 

UncleBuck

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the really funny part is "the icecaps are melting, and soon they will be gone!!!1!!one!!1!11!uno!!"

yet we are currently in an Interglacial but ice core data can only go back ~80,000 years because the last interglacial was characterized by TOTAL MELTING OF THE POLAR ICE CAPS.

the Holocene is warm, sure, and it's been warming fairly consistently for 11,000 years (but only that last 100 years counts)

but even within the Holocene, it has been MUCH warmer, and MUCH colder all without any help from Big Oil.
yeah, it gets warmer and colder because CO2 levels rise or fall. and it takes a really, really long time for that to happen usually.

if it doesn't take a long time, you get mass extinctions.

so what do you think will happen if in 100 years, we emit so much CO2 that it exceeds levels not seen in 800,000 years?

dumbass. use your head.
 

jahbrudda

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wait! are you suggesting that there was Global Warming BEFORE the Koch Brothers??

'Cest Impossible!!

the Koch Brothers and Big Oil must have used a Time Machine to travel back into the past and alter history, ensuring the rise of Hitler and their own wealth by "stealing" natural resources and taking the "Cargo" of the less fortunate equatorial/southern hemisphere peoples.

it's Racism pure and simple, and since this is my new "Theory" it's now a "Fact" because "Theories" are "Facts" made up of "Facts", and are thus immutable and unassailable.

Solution: Smash Capitalism!!
No worries, the earth won't burn up cause the government will fix it all by taxation.:lol:
 

Dr Kynes

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No worries, the earth won't burn up cause the government will fix it all by taxation.:lol:
perhaps "Man Made Global Warming" is actually the solution

when the earth becomes uninhabitbale and the entire human species is dead, the earth can reclaim our cities and restore Gaia's Natural Balance

and of course as a result, Gaia will "Smash Capitalism"
 

abandonconflict

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"Across the world, many records reveal that the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium."

~http://www.odlt.org/dcd/docs/soon_bal_climate_res_paper.pdf

whoops.

peer reviewed and deemed so dangerous by Mann et al that they tried to suppress it, and declared that the journal which published it should be blackballed.
Sounds like the correct course of action described by kkkynes to make it seem criminal. Everything I read in the abstract is controversial. "They" don't go around "suppressing" journals. If the peer review process is correctly observed scientists have no reason to "blackball" journals.
 
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Dr Kynes

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Sounds like the correct course of action described by kkkynes to make it seem criminal. Everything I read in the abstract is controversial. "They" don't go around "suppressing" journals. If the peer review process is correctly observed scientists have no reason to "blackball" journals.
ORLY?

http://www.assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/1054756929.txt

some selected excerpts (cuz i know you wont read this shit)

"Now something to ask from you. Actually somewhat important too. I
got a paper to review (submitted to the Journal of Agricultural, Biological, and
Environmental Sciences), written by a Korean guy and someone from Berkeley, that claims
that the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression)
is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc. They use your Tornetrask recon as the main
whipping boy. I have a file that you gave me in 1993 that comes from your 1992 paper.
Below is part of that file. Is this the right one? Also, is it possible to resurrect the
column headings? I would like to play with it in an effort to refute their claims.
If published as is, this paper could really do some damage. It is also an ugly paper to
review because it is rather mathematical, with a lot of Box-Jenkins stuff in it. It
won't be easy to dismiss out of hand as the math appears to be correct theoretically,
but it suffers from the classic problem of pointing out theoretical deficiencies,
without showing that their improved inverse regression method is actually better in a
practical sense. So they do lots of monte carlo stuff that shows the superiority of
their method and the deficiencies of our way of doing things, but NEVER actually show
how their method would change the Tornetrask reconstruction from what you produced.
Your assistance here is greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I will let Tornetrask sink into
the melting permafrost of northern Sweden (just kidding of course)."

the math appears correct, and that's a problem for the narrative... ONOES!!

"I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review - Confidentially I now need a hard
and if required extensive case for rejecting - to support Dave Stahle's and really as
soon as you can. Please
Keith"

so the "Peer Review Process" now includes the "anonymous" peer reviewers casting off their anonymity, and begging for help from the author of an earlier paper, currently being being challenged, so they can create some excuse to reject that challenging paper and prevent it's publication, cuz the math seems to be correct, and being right is a terrible thing if it casts any doubt on the narrative...

sounds like dirty political wrangling to me, but as long as the ultimate goal is to "Smash Capitalism", any excess or shenanigans are excusable right?
 

UncleBuck

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does the guy who stocks hostess products at walmart think he's stumbled onto a decades in the making worldwide conspiracy?
 

Padawanbater2

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"Almost all the media and political discussion about the hacked climate emails has been based on brief soundbites publicised by professional sceptics and their blogs. In many cases, these have been taken out of context and twisted to mean something they were never intended to.

Elizabeth May, veteran head of the Canadian Green party claims to have read all the emails and declared: “How dare the world’s media fall into the trap set by contrarian propagandists without reading the whole set?”

If those journalists had read even a few words beyond the soundbites, they would have realised that they were often being fed lies. Here are a few examples.

The most quoted “climategate” soundbite comes from an email from Prof Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, to Prof Mike Mann of the University of Virginia in 1999, in which he discussed using“Mike’s Nature trick” to “hide the decline”. The phrase has been widely spun as an effort to prevent the truth getting out that global temperatures had stopped rising.

The Alaskan governor Sarah Palin, in the Washington Post on 9 December, attacked the emailers as a “highly politicised scientific circle” who “manipulated data to ‘hide the decline’ in global temperatures”. She was joined by the Republican senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma – who has for years used his chairmanship of the Environment and Public Works Committee to campaign against climate scientists and to dismiss anthropogenic global warming as “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people”. During the Copenhagen climate conference, which he attended on a Senate delegation, he referred to the Jones’s “hide the decline” quote and said: “Of course, he means hide the decline in temperatures.”

This is nonsense. Given the year the email was written, 1999, it cannot be anything else. At that time there was no suggestion of a decline in global temperatures. The previous year was the warmest on record, coming on top of a run of record warm years in the warmest decade of the century. It is only in the decade since that the rise in temperatures has slackened, due to natural cycles of variability.

The full email from Jones says: “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith [Briffa]’s, to hide the decline.” The decline being referred to was an apparent decline in temperatures shown in analysis of tree rings. Tree rings have historically correlated well with changes in temperature, but that relationship has broken down in the past half century. The reasons are still debated among scientists.

The “trick” was a graphic device used by Mann in a 1998 paper in Nature to merge tree ring data from earlier times with thermometer data for recent decades. He explained it in the paper. Jones was repeating it in another paper. “This is a trick only in the sense of being a good way to deal with a vexing problem,” Mann told the Guardian.

Clearly this problem with modern tree ring data raises questions about older tree ring data – at least until the recent divergence from real temperatures is nailed down. And to anyone not familiar with the problems of reconstructing past temperatures from such proxy data, the “trick” may come as a surprise. But it is manifestly not clandestine data manipulation. Nor, as claimed by Palin and Inhofe, is it a trick to hide global cooling. That charge is a lie.

While he was in Copenhagen, Inhofe made a direct link between the “trick” to “hide the decline” and the second most popular soundbite from the emails. He said “of course [Jones] meant hide the decline in temperatures, which caused another scientist, Kevin Trenberth of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, to write: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

The link is bogus. The two emails were ten years apart. Unlike Jones, Trenberth’s remark from October 2009 was indeed about the slackening of the warming trend that some like to interpret as cooling. That much is agreed. But Inhofe and other sceptics latched on to Trenberth’s “travesty” phrase as a revelation that scientists were trying to keep cooling secret because it undermined their arguments about global warming.

Again this is demonstrably false. Nothing was hidden. For months, Trenberth had been discussing publicly his concerns about the inability of scientists to pin down the precise reason for the “absence of warming” since 1998. He had argued in the journal Current Opinion in Environmental Stability in early 2009 that “it is not a sufficient explanation to say that a cool year [he had 2008 in mind] is due to natural variability (pdf)”. Such explanations “do not provide the physical mechanisms involved.” This was the “travesty” he was referring to in his email. He wanted scientists to do better.

He said the best way to improve the explanation and make it more specific was to make better measurements of the planet’s energy budget. This would allow scientists to distinguish between any changes in the greenhouse effect, which would result in more or less heat overall in the atmosphere and oceans, and short-term natural cycles of variability, which merely redistribute heat. He was debating this with the former head of the Climatic Research Unit Tom Wigley, who took a different view. But their genuine scientific discussion has, since the publication of the emails online, been hijacked by ignorant or malicious invective.

Several other soundbites were subject to perverse or dishonest interpretations by commentators. Patrick Michaels, the climatologist and heavyweight polemicist for the rightwing Cato Institute published a long op-ed piece in the DC Examiner, slamming Mann for an email quote about keeping sceptics’ papers out of the IPCC report “even if we have to redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is“. Michaels is an old foe of Mann’s, but this genuinely damaging statement was actually made by Jones.

In another case George Will, celebrated in some circles as an intellectual, told ABC’s This Week programme that Mann had said in an email that he wished to “delete, get rid of, the medieval warming period”. No such words appear anywhere in the emails. What Mann actually said was that “it would be nice to try to ‘contain’ the putative ‘MWP'”. Some bloggers suggested this amounted to extinguishing it from the data record. But an intellectual like Will should have known that, in this context, “contain” means to understand its dimensions – how warm it was and how long it was. Mann explained as much to anyone who asked. Verdict: not guilty."

http://novascience.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/how-the-climategate-scandal-is-bogus-and-based-on-climate-sceptics-lies/

Dumbass
 

Dr Kynes

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"Almost all the media and political discussion about the hacked climate emails has been based on brief soundbites publicised by professional sceptics and their blogs. In many cases, these have been taken out of context and twisted to mean something they were never intended to.

Elizabeth May, veteran head of the Canadian Green party claims to have read all the emails and declared: “How dare the world’s media fall into the trap set by contrarian propagandists without reading the whole set?”

<extensive copy/paste snipped because Word Count Limit>

http://novascience.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/how-the-climategate-scandal-is-bogus-and-based-on-climate-sceptics-lies/

Dumbass
yeah, sure Toby.

Cuz Theories are Facts made up from Facts, and are thus Facts by virtue of their Factiness.

funny how Mann et al also claim that Geophysical Research Letters (thats a respected journal BTW) has ALSO been taken over by "The Baddies" and it's editorial board should be investigated for possible heresy and then summarily ousted...


>> > Yeah, basically this is just a heads up to people that something
>> might be
>> > up here. What a shame that would be. It's one thing to lose "Climate
>> > Research". We can't afford to lose GRL. I think it would be
>> > useful if people begin to record their experiences w/ both Saiers and
>> > potentially Mackwell (I don't know him--he would seem to be
>> complicit w/
>> > what is going on here).
>> >
>> >
>> > If there is a clear body of evidence that something is amiss, it
>> could be
>> > taken through the proper channels. I don't that the entire AGU
>> hierarchy
>> > has yet been compromised!
~Mann once again declaring by fiat that any publication that dares publish anything which he doesnt approve of should be removed from the discourse.

Mike,
Only have it in the pdf form. FYI ONLY - don't pass on. Relevant paras are the last
2 in section 4 on p13. As I said it is worded carefully due to Adrian knowing Eugenia
for years. He knows the're wrong, but he succumbed to her almost pleading with him
to tone it down as it might affect her proposals in the future !
I didn't say any of this, so be careful how you use it - if at all. Keep quiet also
that you have the pdf.
The attachment is a very good paper - I've been pushing Adrian over the last weeks
to get it submitted to JGR or J. Climate. The main results are great for CRU and also
for ERA-40. The basic message is clear - you have to put enough surface and sonde
obs into a model to produce Reanalyses. The jumps when the data input change stand
out so clearly. NCEP does many odd things also around sea ice and over snow and ice.
The other paper by MM is just garbage - as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also
losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well - frequently as I see
it.
I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep
them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !

Cheers
Phil

yeah.
youre on the side of the angels Toby.


Also: This ----> http://novascience.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/how-the-climategate-scandal-is-bogus-and-based-on-climate-sceptics-lies/

its clearly a Peer Reviewed Blog! (original source: UK Guardian newspaper, a Peer Reviewed Fish Wrapper)

opinions are like assholes, everybody has one... except Toby, who apparently has 3 or 4 dozen and switches them out as his narrative requires.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
completely unattributed, uncited, lacking all context and reference.

way to prove a worldwide conspiracy theory, kynes.

make yourself useful and get back to stocking the hostess products at walmart.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
This horse shit is from 'assassinationscience.com', a blog that details how the moon landings were hoaxed, how the 9/11 was an inside job and how the Kennedy assassination was perpetrated...

http://www.assassinationscience.com/

Veeery reliable..

Dumbass..
and yet the text is from the e-mails of Mann, The CRU and their associates.

you see, by impugning the location where the documents are archived, you can deny the veracity of those documents without ever actually addressing them.

thats the Ad Hominem approach, which is as valid in this instance as it is in any other, which is to say, IT'S A FALLACY.

here are the same documents from another source.
http://yourvoicematters.org/cru/mailsearch.php

and yet another from the sainted Wikileaks:
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009

will you next argue that Wikileaks is unreliable?

the documents exist, and are accurately archived.
deal with the contents of those documents, or go cry in your hugbox.
nobody believes your attempts to impugn the locations where the documents are sourced.

many other sources for those documents have been scrubbed from the web by people who think that lies, deception, fabricated data and personal attacks are all acceptable as long as it is "For The Greater Good"

people like YOU.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
and yet the text is from the e-mails of Mann, The CRU and their associates.

you see, by impugning the location where the documents are archived, you can deny the veracity of those documents without ever actually addressing them.

thats the Ad Hominem approach, which is as valid in this instance as it is in any other, which is to say, IT'S A FALLACY.
11 independent investigations read the entirety of the documents and all of them independently found no criminal, moral or ethical wrongdoing.

Buh buh Penn State, and pedophiles, and Jerry Sandusky and fail.. Yeah, been over that one a dozen times too. You're consistent in your denial of reality to suit the truthers narrative. 11 investigations clear it, Nah, but 1 conspiracy theorist blog spins the conversations between scientists to mean what they don't actually mean, YEP!! GOT EM!!!!

You're a retard. You haven't read the emails, you've only read right wing sources that are already morally and politically against doing anything about climate change, then attempt to use that as evidence of some global conspiracy (meanwhile not realizing even if climategate was absolutely true, the overwhelming amount of evidence in support of ACC independent of it is still far beyond enough to accurately conclude it's validity).

You're doing what creationists do with evolution. Somebody fakes a fossil and gets figured out and condemned (by the scientific community), creationists find out and say "SEE!! SEE!!! EVOLUTION IS BULLSHIT!!! THAT PROVES IT!!"...

the documents exist, and are accurately archived.
Except when it comes from Cook and Skepticalscience, huh...

STFU

many other sources for those documents have been scrubbed from the web by people who think that lies, deception, fabricated data and personal attacks are all acceptable as long as it is "For The Greater Good"

people like YOU.
CONSPIRACEEEEE!!

Dumbass
 
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