to flush not to flush and if so when to start

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Smootherpete

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cannabineer said:
Mother Nature flushes? That is shattering news for all the farmers who've been planting winter crops. Millions of farmers for hundreds of years, and they've been doing it WRONG! Spread the news!
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What i meant is roots begin to run out of nutrients in soil and leafs yellow....like when you flush. But thanks for the smart ass reply.
 
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curious2garden said:
This is why I do not argue. If you believe for one minute there's an area of lower osmolarity that leaches salts in the soil away from the plants prior to harvest in the soil you have zero clue of the science behind this. Without that clue I can't even HAVE an argument with you because you do not understand what is going on. Take a basic science class then come back here.

Sigh.......
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Relax people, all I meant is plants do starve for nutrients in the end of their life cycles in nature as they rippen 'cause they have depleted the soil of nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus.Flushing with 1/4 strength is just mimics this. I'm just trying to help others and give my opinion...I flush and look at this!
 

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TheYokel said:
Why do you people keep quoting High Times like some kind of authority instead of seeing what works for actual growers around you?
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High times . Cannabis cup , Greenhouse seeds , flushing , bloom boosters

when folk mention these things i hear an alarm sound "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB"
but i don't hold it against them, its a learning curve hopefully they will find the right path in the end
 
Smootherpete

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Dr. Who said:
Hmm, being a FARMER......I sure don't hop on my tractor or use irrigation to spread/spray or water everyday for 1-2 weeks to "flush" anything. I (we) grow Organic veggies of many types (That are sold at farmers markets/Health food stores and the bulk to Spartan Stores for their organic section in produce). The "we" refers to 2 other farms. We have created a "co-op" that does Beef, pork, chicken and like I said, many types of veggies. We run 2 farms for the veggies and one for the meat.

The key to taste is a proper CURE (MM)!

Someone a page back or so said that he's harvesting a plant and will let us know about it in a week.......
Yeah, right,,,,,,GREAT cure dude! If it's even dry yet,,,it's GOING to taste like shit!
NO MATTER how much he "flushed" !!!!!!!!!


Sometimes you simply have to respond to flat out stupidity
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Do you fertilize veggies two weeks before harvest or do you give them plain water???Forgive me if I'm wrong here but I thought the subject was stop or cut back nutrients or not during rippen stage. I've always been told farmers didn't fertilize before harvest.
 
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Smootherpete said:
Relax people, all I meant is plants do starve for nutrients in the end of their life cycles in nature as they rippen 'cause they have depleted the soil of nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus.Flushing with 1/4 strength is just mimics this. I'm just trying to help others and give my opinion...I flush and look at this!
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Looks and taste are two different things but I hear us . And btw that shit looks bomb
 
cannabineer

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Smootherpete said:
What i meant is roots begin to run out of nutrients in soil and leafs yellow....like when you flush. But thanks for the smart ass reply.
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It's the only sort of ass reply I have.



However my point still stands ... soil nutrients don't just vanish in the off season. You're ascribing to nutrient removal what I imagine most would lay at the
"feet" of the seasonal behavior of annual plants ...
 
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Do you fertilize veggies two weeks before harvest or do you give them plain water???Forgive me if I'm wrong here but I thought the subject was stop or cut back nutrients or not during rippen stage. I've always been told farmers didn't fertilize before harvest.
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No.

It rains. Does that count as watering?

The nutrients are IN the soil. They don't go away any more then what the plants use. The rest are still there.
As the plants mature/ripen they use what they need. We do not force feed hydrocarbon based nutrition in mass quantities. To be more exact. We feed the soil and the soil feeds the plants what it converts to useable forms to the plant. We are an ORGANIC farm.

In the fall or spring we spread some manure on certain fields (from organically feed livestock). On some plants (those that require a more specific diet), we add a tea during growth. Sometimes we amend the soil before planting to make those dietary requirements. Again, by organic means.

In a water only organic MM grow. How do you "stop or cut back" nutrient use by the plant?
 
Bakatare666

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cannabineer said:
Those man mad synthetic nutes are precisely how we grew a bigger better German. How many Germans did you see on a hippie's bayonet?? QED

ceterum censeo Annie has this one. Preharvest flushing is a specialized term for deliberately starving one's plants when they need those tasty juicy Kosher ions the most.
The flushing you describe is distinct, and appending the modifier "preharvest" (technically EVERYTHING we do is in a grow is preharvest) doesn't make the argument come to heel.
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Damn bro, just as analytical as ever, LOL.:clap:
 
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I only read about half of the replies to your title, but IMO, asking 'To flush or not to flush?' is like asking 'What came first, the chicken or the egg?'.
There are always gonna be people stating the obvious.......... It does NOT rain enough to flush plants in the wild, but then there are those that will argue that synthetic nutes are not used in the wild.
My personal advice is get 4 plants, all the same strain, side by side, 2 with organic nutes, and 2 with synthetic.
Flush one of each when the time comes, and leave the other 2, and see which you like better.
Personally, I do NOT flush, I just taper off the nutes the last few weeks before harvest, and I've never had any complaints.
HOWEVER, I am one that makes sure I get plenty of runoff every time I water, not just a few drops trickling out.
For a couple Solo cups I might use a quart, for a 1 gal. pot, I would normally use a half gal.
2 gal. might get a 5 gal. pot and two 2 gal. pots watered, but usually it's a little more.
 
Smootherpete

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No.

It rains. Does that count as watering?

The nutrients are IN the soil. They don't go away any more then what the plants use. The rest are still there.
As the plants mature/ripen they use what they need. We do not force feed hydrocarbon based nutrition in mass quantities. To be more exact. We feed the soil and the soil feeds the plants what it converts to useable forms to the plant. We are an ORGANIC farm.

In the fall or spring we spread some manure on certain fields (from organically feed livestock). On some plants (those that require a more specific diet), we add a tea during growth. Sometimes we amend the soil before planting to make those dietary requirements. Again, by organic means.

In a water only organic MM grow. How do you "stop or cut back" nutrient use by the plant?
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Would you not agree that the soil is less rich when you harvest? That is the only point I was trying to get accross, farmers do not fertilize their crops up until harvest day...It is done prior. So why feed fertilizers to your cannabis until harvest day? In a hydroponic grow I cut my nutrients back to 1/4 strength(like hydroponic lettuce) two weeks before cutting them to mimic what happens in nature or on the farm. Trust me the soil is a lot less rich in nutrients when you harvest...by flushing i just mean that I water my coco coir as usual except for the 1/4 strength.
For those who think they will get bigger buds if they keep up full strength nutes 'till the end....I didn't.
 
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waterdawg

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You guys lol. Does flushing improve taste? I think yes in some instances it does, but in my case it was when I fucked up and in hydro. Do I do it consistantly, no, only once. Does it noticably hurt the plant, not that I'm aware of. Do I care if others do it? No lol. Everyone needs to give their own observations and quit argueing ..... Wow the ego's!!!!
 
Smootherpete

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chuck estevez said:
see, when you have NO CLUE about what your talking about, you shouldn't try and look smart, just sayin.
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I still grow nice buds for someone who has no clue :P
I know that flushing is not essential but I do it for a cleaner taste...I just water my coco coir as usual with 1/4 strength. When I grow a new strain and am not sure of harvest time, I give nutes almost untill harvest. And here's what a hydroponic farm rep says:

Flushing is not a requirement for growing delicious hydroponic vegetables, but it can improve their flavor. This is especially true in ebb and flow systems, which constantly fill up with mineral-rich water and then dry out, leaving mineral salts clinging to everything, including the plants. Experienced growers such as Jeffrey Winterborne, a longtime grower at Esoteric Hydroponics, say that flushing before harvesting is a good idea, but not absolutely essential.
 

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Would you not agree that the soil is less rich when you harvest? That is the only point I was trying to get accross, farmers do not fertilize their crops up until harvest day...It is done prior. So why feed fertilizers to your cannabis until harvest day? In a hydroponic grow I cut my nutrients back to 1/4 strength(like hydroponic lettuce) two weeks before cutting them to mimic what happens in nature or on the farm. Trust me the soil is a lot less rich in nutrients when you harvest...by flushing i just mean that I water my coco coir as usual except for the 1/4 strength.
For those who think they will get bigger buds if they keep up full strength nutes 'till the end....I didn't.
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Please stop using your false farming analogies. You obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about. Farmers fertilize way later into crop production more than folks realize.And comparing plants grown outdoors in native, mineralized soil to indoor container grows in potting soil is simply ridiculous.
 
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