Legendary/Heirloom Strains!?!

redfrogs · Dec 22, 2014

kmog33 said:
And isn't Ducksfoot a trait not a strain.

Ducksfoot is a strain. Current versions are F4 or F5s, so its almost an ibl.

Yes, it is a trait. But once you stablise a trait, it becomes a strain, yes?

kmog33 · Dec 22, 2014

redfrogs said:
Ducksfoot is a strain. Current versions are F4 or F5s, so its almost an ibl.

Yes, it is a trait. But once you stablise a trait, it becomes a strain, yes?

Well not 100% with you here. You stabilize a lot of traits to make a strain, not just one in particular. I have a ducksfoot trait on my sour grape. I just was unaware there was a strain called ducksfoot. What are its genetics?

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redfrogs · Dec 22, 2014

cannakis said:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/database/strains/unknown-or-legendary/

There is a list for reference... But, Who has them? Seed or cutting? Strains like chemdawg, sensi star, northern lights, dnl (just heard about this, and I really want it!)?

I Am talking about the real deal, not the knock offs.

Landraces would be included as well.!

Looking at the list of these legendary stuff. Alot of them can be found in crosses.

Here are a few examples from ya list, that i know of and understand.

88 G-13 HashPlant f3/f4s -> Ndnguy, Mota, Hazeman, Bodhi ( i have this its not hard to find)

98 Aloha WW- Hazeman

Apollos-> mota, subcool, a few more....

Black rose -> Heath R or sickmeds in their bizzare strain

Black Russian-> I think subby has it in a cross

Afgani/Hawaii ->i think MNS has something to offer like this.

Blueberry sativa-> you can find them in the F13, Vanilliaum or grape kush. Not easy to find but they do appear and are descendants of the BBS.

Butterscotch Hawaiian or rather free leonard -> orginally from ndnguy/swampy. But BCbud deport the big is the FL aka 88 g13 hp x BSH if i'm not wrong.

Just some examples man, what you seek exists. You just need to find it

redfrogs · Dec 22, 2014

kmog33 said:
Well not 100% with you here. You stabilize a lot of traits to make a strain, not just one in particular. I have a ducksfoot trait on my sour grape. I just was unaware there was a strain called ducksfoot. What are its genetics?

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It comes from wally duck. The ducksfoot trait is found in the old school afgani. Which is similiar to the family line of deep chunk. Sourgrape is sour grape, sure you may find a DF trait, but its not something expected to be found in SG. Its prob an afgani mutant pheno of SG.

Currently USC offers DF as F4?? http://www.sanniesshop.com/duckfoot. html

kgp · Dec 22, 2014

redfrogs said:
Alot of them can be found in crosses.

Just some examples man, what you seek exists. You just need to find it

totally not true
A cross of a legend, doesn't make it legendary. It actually waters down the legendary traits and pollutes the gene pool.

TonightYou · Dec 22, 2014

kgp said:
totally not true
A cross of a legend, doesn't make it legendary. It actually waters down the legendary traits and pollutes the gene pool.

I don't know about pollutes, but dilutes, yes.

Not trying to argue with you man, you do know your OGs. I do think the crosses marketed as those OGs are misplaced and further confuse buyers. I do think perhaps with good parental selection some awesome plants can come from such crosses.

kgp · Dec 22, 2014

TonightYou said:
I don't know about pollutes, but dilutes, yes.

Not trying to argue with you man, you do know your OGs. I do think the crosses marketed as those OGs are misplaced and further confuse buyers. I do think perhaps with good parental selection some awesome plants can come from such crosses.

Thanks. Dilutes. That's what I meant to say

redfrogs · Dec 22, 2014

kgp said:
totally not true
A cross of a legend, doesn't make it legendary. It actually waters down the legendary traits and pollutes the gene pool.

If that is your opinion, thats fine...i m not gonna argue as i do consider what you mentioned to be true as well.

However, if u took 88 g13 x hp and crossed it to BSH. Which are both "legendary" (invert commas cause selection is key). Would the resulting cross be considered legendary? According to the list, it is...

But with a cross be it f1 or anything. You could always select the traits you want say g13 funk, Deep chunk frostiness or punto rojo's rootbeer smell from resulting f2s, phenos or what ever and selectively breed it to express those traits. It may not be exactly the same but it would be similar.

I reckon it only pollutes if you cross legends with skunk, widow, nl, big bud etc...but if your taking panama red '74 and crossing it to swazi roobibard...it could be considered an improvement or a pollutant, depending on the which you side of the fence you sit on.

TheHermit · Dec 22, 2014

Dilution is better than extinction.

kgp · Dec 23, 2014

TheHermit said:
Dilution is better than extinction.

Pure is better than diluted.

TonightYou · Dec 23, 2014

kgp said:
Pure is better than diluted.

But what is pure? These genes in OG seem to be recessive with crossings and elusive to lock down. Just a thought.

blowincherrypie · Dec 23, 2014

redfrogs said:
If that is your opinion, thats fine...i m not gonna argue as i do consider what you mentioned to be true as well.

However, if u took 88 g13 x hp and crossed it to BSH. Which are both "legendary" (invert commas cause selection is key). Would the resulting cross be considered legendary? According to the list, it is...

But with a cross be it f1 or anything. You could always select the traits you want say g13 funk, Deep chunk frostiness or punto rojo's rootbeer smell from resulting f2s, phenos or what ever and selectively breed it to express those traits. It may not be exactly the same but it would be similar.

I reckon it only pollutes if you cross legends with skunk, widow, nl, big bud etc...but if your taking panama red '74 and crossing it to swazi roobibard...it could be considered an improvement or a pollutant, depending on the which you side of the fence you sit on.

idk about this.. Just because you cross two great strains doesn't guarantee anything.. And I just don't understan your last part at all.. You can have "legendary" phenos of skunk, widow and NL imo..

kgp · Dec 23, 2014

TonightYou said:
But what is pure? These genes in OG seem to be recessive with crossings and elusive to lock down. Just a thought.

Pure is the cut I have growing in my garden. The same cut that's been around since the early nineties.

TheChemist77 · Dec 23, 2014

if u have the real original ghost can i buy some seeds??? the true original northern lights was a clone sent over to breeders and what we get now is their version because they had to cross it to get seeds. thats why each seedbank has a diferent phenio of nl,, id love to have seen the original!! so many of the greats were lost by crossing to produce seeds...why if they arived as clones didnt they just self them and get feminized rather than cross them and lose that original mother???

TheChemist77 · Dec 23, 2014

ive been waiting to see this subject come up..

TheHermit · Dec 23, 2014

kgp said:
Pure is better than diluted.

Agreed, but not everyone has the luxury of making a trip to a local dispensary and having 50 strains of og to choose from. Diluted is the only thing available to a lot of growers. And it seems like there are hundreds of cuts of og out there. They can't all be the real deal, can they?

kgp · Dec 23, 2014

TheHermit said:
Agreed, but not everyone has the luxury of making a trip to a local dispensary and having 50 strains of og to choose from. Diluted is the only thing available to a lot of growers. And it seems like there are hundreds of cuts of og out there. They can't all be the real deal, can they?

I get it... And I bet most are renamed or fake.

TheHermit · Dec 23, 2014

Would you consider the stuff available in seed form close, or not in the same league?

cannakis · Dec 24, 2014

redfrogs said:
Looking at the list of these legendary stuff. Alot of them can be found in crosses.

Here are a few examples from ya list, that i know of and understand.

88 G-13 HashPlant f3/f4s -> Ndnguy, Mota, Hazeman, Bodhi ( i have this its not hard to find)

98 Aloha WW- Hazeman

Apollos-> mota, subcool, a few more....

Black rose -> Heath R or sickmeds in their bizzare strain

Black Russian-> I think subby has it in a cross

Afgani/Hawaii ->i think MNS has something to offer like this.

Blueberry sativa-> you can find them in the F13, Vanilliaum or grape kush. Not easy to find but they do appear and are descendants of the BBS.

Butterscotch Hawaiian or rather free leonard -> orginally from ndnguy/swampy. But BCbud deport the big is the FL aka 88 g13 hp x BSH if i'm not wrong.

Just some examples man, what you seek exists. You just need to find it

Yeah but I'm talking about the originals not crosses...

rory420420 · Jan 13, 2015

kmog33 said:
And isn't Ducksfoot a trait not a strain. I don't think a bunch on that legendary list are really legendary at all... those lists are silly.

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Sannies sells ducksfoot...not sure if that's the answer to the question...but it's available..

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