Affordable?

[londonfog]

London, income tax is a relatively new phenomenon. How did countries ever survive before then?

While I want to replace income tax with consumption tax. My bet is, we see a VAT on top of income instead. The ever growing monster needs to be fed.

Are you for a VAT?

income tax has been around for about 100 years. You still have not explain how we pay for things like schools, national defense, fire, police, etc etc...

 

[ginwilly]

I remember my parents mortgage (16%) was $3.00 principal and $397.00 interest.

Crazy times. On the flip side of that, our savings accounts in banks grew at 5% a year (and of course was taxed).

Ah, up to 18% interest on a house, waiting in line for gas on our scheduled days, 55MPH limit on highways taking away free time from workers... I'm getting misty thinking of the Carter years.

 

[Red1966]

so no one pays income tax. You only pay for what you consume ? explain

Sales tax

 

[NoDrama]

income tax has been around for about 100 years. You still have not explain how we pay for things like schools, national defense, fire, police, etc etc...

We borrow the money to pay the military, the rest of the things you mentioned are paid for by property taxes.

 

[ginwilly]

income tax has been around for about 100 years. You still have not explain how we pay for things like schools, national defense, fire, police, etc etc...

I can't tell when you are trolling or just genuinely don't have the capacity.

You are saying there were no schools, national defense, fire or police anywhere in the world until those countries implemented income taxes? Or can mind wrap around the fact their are other methods for governments to extract money other than taking from labor? It was done that way much longer. Income tax was a method used to pay to defeat Napoleon. Once implemented they never went away though, even after Napoleon did. Imagine that...

 

[god1]

actually, the program is functioning as designed..those who suck up resources is now reflected in their premiums.

the healthy insured are no longer penalized for the sickly, obese and all the illnesses that go with.

i'm height/weight proportionate and never need to see the doctor. my blood is perfect and that includes BP.

being the correct weight is the key..

Sky,

First let me say I apologize for being nasty in some of my earlier posts. This subject just tends to irritate the crap out of me.

Secondly, sometimes I just don't know how to respond to you .... actually more times than not. But your post did make me smile. I'll try to explain.

I'm going to say something I hope you don't take the wrong way; you remind me of two people very close to me, my sister and sister in-law. Politically, polar opposites, one right the other left; but extreme. We've known my sister in-law since grade school.

What I find interesting about the three of you is the "way you think", not the content but rather the path you take to a conclusion. I just find it different, they frustrate the crap out of me; actually I tell them all the time they "don't think right" .... well you know where that gets me.

Going to see them tomorrow. Hope you don't find this disparaging or insulting, because you do remind me of them in a good way.

Have a Merry Christmas.

 

[londonfog]

We borrow the money to pay the military, the rest of the things you mentioned are paid for by property taxes.

property taxes alone does not fund schools, police, nor fire

 

[londonfog]

I can't tell when you are trolling or just genuinely don't have the capacity.

You are saying there were no schools, national defense, fire or police anywhere in the world until those countries implemented income taxes? Or can mind wrap around the fact their are other methods for governments to extract money other than taking from labor? It was done that way much longer. Income tax was a method used to pay to defeat Napoleon. Once implemented they never went away though, even after Napoleon did. Imagine that...

how long have we had income tax. I ask you this so I can get to my next point

 

[ginwilly]

property taxes alone does not fund schools, police, nor fire

Why doesn't it? What happened here? It used to.

In fact, that was one of the best things about local budgets. You could vote on millage increases for each when needed. The entity asking for money would have to convince the citizens it was needed, the citizens then vote on whether or not they will comply. Great system don't you think?

 

[ChesusRice]

CON laws actually do prevent hospitals from opening. That's ALL they do.

Wrong
they also prevent hospitals from closing and then relocating out of the community.

 

[schuylaar]

Sky,

First let me say I apologize for being nasty in some of my earlier posts. This subject just tends to irritate the crap out of me.

Secondly, sometimes I just don't know how to respond to you .... actually more times than not. But your post did make me smile. I'll try to explain.

I'm going to say something I hope you don't take the wrong way; you remind me of two people very close to me, my sister and sister in-law. Politically, polar opposites, one right the other left; but extreme. We've known my sister in-law since grade school.

What I find interesting about the three of you is the "way you think", not the content but rather the path you take to a conclusion. I just find it different, they frustrate the crap out of me; actually I tell them all the time they "don't think right" .... well you know where that gets me.

Going to see them tomorrow. Hope you don't find this disparaging or insulting, because you do remind me of them in a good way.

Have a Merry Christmas.

thank you for the apology. i was kind of wondering as we always seemed to have similar opinion.

i just figured the stress of this time of year.

i'm a very forgiving person even when actions are initiated by another.

i really try to see both sides and not take personally.

the answer is simple: women think in a flourished pattern and tie into; men compartmentalize.

i hope that gave you some insight into the "venus" mind.

merry christmas.

 

[NoDrama]

property taxes alone does not fund schools, police, nor fire

The property tax is the main tax supporting local education, police/fire protection, local governments, some free medical services, and most of other local infrastructure.

Whatever shortcomings there are is BORROWED.

 

[Red1966]

Wrong
they also prevent hospitals from closing and then relocating out of the community.

Wrong, they don't prevent a hospital from closing, period. They have one effect and one effect only. They prevent medical providers from opening. They can not prevent closing.

 

[ginwilly]

The property tax is the main tax supporting local education, police/fire protection, local governments, some free medical services, and most of other local infrastructure.

Whatever shortcomings there are is BORROWED.

I'm starting to think London is not really a business owner. His knowledge of taxes is surprisingly lacking.

 

[Red1966]

thank you for the apology. i was kind of wondering as we always seemed to have similar opinion.

i just figured the stress of this time of year.

i'm a very forgiving person even when actions are initiated by another.

i really try to see both sides and not take personally.

the answer is simple: women think in a flourished pattern and tie into; men compartmentalize.

i hope that gave you some insight into the "venus" mind.

merry christmas.

And a sexist Christmas to you.

 

[ginwilly]

Wrong, they don't prevent a hospital from closing, period. They have one effect and one effect only. They prevent medical providers from opening. They can not prevent closing.

His argument is that a CON will prevent a hospital from closing over here and moving over there (which happens every year across the US).

What he most likely read was the CON would have to approve of the new opening and his mind went to where ever his mind goes to justify some of the crazy stuff he believes is true. Instead of realizing the CON was mandated for the first location only, a new CON would have to be attained for the new location, he gets what he gets out of it. Oh, and RACIST!!

Seriously, he's still sticking with a CON telling a losing business they must stay open. I give up on him.

 

[londonfog]

I'm starting to think London is not really a business owner. His knowledge of taxes is surprisingly lacking.

again how long has income tax been around. Why avoid the question.

 

[ChesusRice]

Wrong, they don't prevent a hospital from closing, period. They have one effect and one effect only. They prevent medical providers from opening. They can not prevent closing.

If the hospital wants to close and relocate to another area

They can't do it. Yes they do prevent hospitals from closing.

 

[ginwilly]

again how long has income tax been around. Why avoid the question.

Which country? Do you mean period? or just here?

 

[londonfog]

I'm starting to think London is not really a business owner. His knowledge of taxes is surprisingly lacking.

property taxes alone does not pay for schools,police, fire. Why do you think it does ?