Affordable?

[londonfog]

Duties, Imposts and Excises, just like the constitution says. Taxing a man's labor is akin to slavery.

how do we pay for our military for starters

 

[Red1966]

You want to talk about where the money went? Look at the tax code; the wealthy post fifteen percent or less in taxes. They keep the rest... leading to this wonderful economy we're enjoying right now.

They pay 39.6% on income over $300,000 (not sure about that figure, it keeps changing). 15% on long term capital gains + ANOTHER 15% for medicare. 20-39.6% on short term capital gains + 15% for medicare. You rant and rave, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Red1966]

actually, the program is functioning as designed..those who suck up resources is now reflected in their premiums.

the healthy insured are no longer penalized for the sickly, obese and all the illnesses that go with.

i'm height/weight proportionate and never need to see the doctor. my blood is perfect and that includes BP.

being the correct weight is the key..

300 lbs. on a 4'8" woman is not the "correct weight".

 

[Red1966]

They Also prevent hospitals from relocating and leaVing an area without facility's.

They also decrease the cost of health care.
If you have 1 hospital serving 1000 people and now you have 2 hospitals serving the same 1000 people
both facilities have to INCREASE prices to pay for there equipment.

The supply and demand part of the equation is patients. Not the number of facilities.

The poorly served are rural and inner city. Without CON laws hospitals would flee these areas. Leaving the community with nothing

"patients" can not be both sides of the supply and demand equation,

 

[Red1966]

They Also prevent hospitals from relocating and leaVing an area without facility's.

They also decrease the cost of health care.
If you have 1 hospital serving 1000 people and now you have 2 hospitals serving the same 1000 people
both facilities have to INCREASE prices to pay for there equipment.

The supply and demand part of the equation is patients. Not the number of facilities.

The poorly served are rural and inner city. Without CON laws hospitals would flee these areas. Leaving the community with nothing

CONs don't prevent a hospital from closing, just from opening.

 

[Red1966]

No hospital is forced to stay open.
But CON laws prevent hospitals from shutting down and then opening up in another community.
And in under served community's. CON laws don't stop hospitals from opening up.
Problem is for profit hospitals don't want to open up in under served community's.

And yes you fucking racist fool I do know a doctor. Actually 2.
his wife is a doctor as well

CON laws actually do prevent hospitals from opening. That's ALL they do.

 

[Red1966]

no. but they should be paying the same rate that everyone else has to pay; 35% tax bracket or greater.

just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean you should benefit from special treatment..and you do.

So what rate are you paying? Oh, that's right, you not only pay nothing, you take from the system. You sure have a lot of gall complaining others are giving YOU enough.

 

[ginwilly]

income tax should be replaced with what ??

Consumption tax.

We should be promoting saving instead of borrowing. Our economy is built on a house of cards.

 

[NoDrama]

how do we pay for our military for starters

Have you ever read the constitution?

(Clause 11 – War power)

[The Congress shall have Power] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

(Clause 12 – Army)

[The Congress shall have Power] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

(Clause 13 – Navy)

[The Congress shall have Power] To provide and maintain a Navy;

(Clause 14 – Military establishment)

[The Congress shall have Power] To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

(Article 1, section 8 )
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

 

[londonfog]

Have you ever read the constitution?

(Clause 11 – War power)

[The Congress shall have Power] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

(Clause 12 – Army)

[The Congress shall have Power] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

(Clause 13 – Navy)

[The Congress shall have Power] To provide and maintain a Navy;

(Clause 14 – Military establishment)

[The Congress shall have Power] To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

you didn't answer the question

 

[londonfog]

Consumption tax.

We should be promoting saving instead of borrowing. Our economy is built on a house of cards.

so no one pays income tax. You only pay for what you consume ? explain

 

[ginwilly]

CONs don't prevent a hospital from closing, just from opening.

I knew we were pretty much done when he pulled that out of his ass.

I'm sorry, I know you've lost 10M the last 5 years in a row, but we have the CON that says you have to stay open...

It's a fascinating mind that will type that out and believe things actually work that way.

 

[ginwilly]

so no one pays income tax. You only pay for what you consume ? explain

London, income tax is a relatively new phenomenon. How did countries ever survive before then?

While I want to replace income tax with consumption tax. My bet is, we see a VAT on top of income instead. The ever growing monster needs to be fed.

Are you for a VAT?

 

[Red1966]

And very effective it is, being able to deduct a mortgage payment made the price of a new home double, super good for people who own houses.

You can only deduct the interest portion of your mortgage. This deduction isn't nearly as good as the real estate salesman would have you believe. Towards the end of the loan, you get almost no deduction at all.

 

[Red1966]

someone who makes 250k is not in the top 1%..they are in the bottom 99%.

That's pretty much a lie. They're in the top 3%.

 

[ginwilly]

You can only deduct the interest portion of your mortgage. This deduction isn't nearly as good as the real estate salesman would have you believe. Towards the end of the loan, you get almost no deduction at all.

It's still an incentive to put roots down and become a good middle class servant/tax base. Why else should the government care if we rent or own? Social engineering with an assist given to the banking industry...

 

[Red1966]

the single mom should be receiving child support in some form from the baby daddy.

Good luck with that. Those "single mothers" are single because the father(s) of their children are layabouts or criminals or dead

 

[NoDrama]

You can only deduct the interest portion of your mortgage. This deduction isn't nearly as good as the real estate salesman would have you believe. Towards the end of the loan, you get almost no deduction at all.

Yeah, interest only, but the first 15 years of a 30 year mortgage are pretty much all interest.

 

[ginwilly]

That's pretty much a lie. They're in the top 3%.

The same folks who demanded that people who made 250K pay the same rate as those making 25M will tell you that making someone who makes 25K pay the same rate is regressive, unamerican and RACIST!

They sure do make their arguments based on feels instead of logic.

 

[Red1966]

Yeah, interest only, but the first 15 years of a 30 year mortgage are pretty much all interest.

I remember my parents mortgage (16%) was $3.00 principal and $397.00 interest.