Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

PSUAGRO.

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I totally missed this post earlier, sorry about that and thank you for your input.

It's store bought drinking water in three gallon jugs. It says micron filtering and ozonation were performed on the water.

So maybe I should try tap water? Which I believe is around 7.7pH and a couple hundred ppms? Or half and half each water source?



@ everyone
I don't have any EWC right now but would composted horse manure work? I could dig into the pile where it's nice and warm...

So maybe topdress with a spoon or two of rock dusts and DE and compost? Then I think I'll give half of the plants the same water I have been and I'll give the other half tap water and see how that goes...

How does that sound? I know a guy who may have EWC for me, but its the holidays and I don't wanna bother him.


Thanks for the help everyone!
Yeah most likely a cal/mag def(s) with that source........tea/topdress will fix it(egg/shrimp/crab/oyster shell/gypsum/etc.)

If you can continue to afford buying water, do it. Unless you know for certain your municipality isn't using chloramines(ammonia reeks havoc on beni bacs; won't off-gas either) and your ppms are below 300, i wouldn't use it with LOS imo.


good luck and happy holidays
 
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a senile fungus

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Yeah most likely a cal/mag def(s) with that source........tea/topdress will fix it(egg/shrimp/crab/oyster shell/gypsum/etc.)

If you can continue to afford buying water, do it. Unless you know for certain your municipality isn't using chloramines(ammonia reeks havoc on beni bacs; won't off-gas either) and your ppms are below 300, i wouldn't use it with LOS imo.


good luck and happy holidays

Thank you very much!

I'll get on the municipal website and check out a water analysis. I'm imagining they use chloramine, hopefully not though...

Thanks again! I'll update every so often with pics!

Thanks guys!
 
So I know I'm new but have done lots of research hello fellas so I do have a question about fermentated extracts I was reading somewhere now i can't find it but the post was saying when using lacto b it can do it's job to well because it breaks things down on a molecular level so longs chains of elements that are in your perferred item you are ferments so example like getting single elements like calcium, potassium, nitrogen ect. It is perfect for but if your going after auxins, tricantinol, things that are special chains of elementsts lacto be is not perfered that's kind of what makes bokashi wonderful because even tho things still look the same when you dump out the bucket they are molecularly shattered that's why they dissapear so quickly when burried

So what do the masters have to say? Sorry I have lurked this thread for a while but instead of throwing out a bunch of question just did the research my self
 

Mad Hamish

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Thank you bro, much appreciated, i see where you coming from, i worked out while growing all these diff strains how much easier it would be with a few clones, as for the space i take it if they not too huge more light can obviously penetrate around the plant ? 600w with about a 15-20 litre pot, what size pots do you run brother ? Bro i can only imagine the taste & high its probably going to be one bong and im done for the day ! haha

Bro i will be honest, my vent is about 30 cm from my window which is dumb but paranoia took the best of me at that time, atleast now if i get questioned about a pipe out my window i can just say its the AC, so what i was thinking of doing is running my grow room vent & AC vent into a T piece then letting the T piece out the window,also why i was asking about yield and size is because ive almost drained all my money once again, just hoping i can get a decent amount to make up for all the $ that went into this. On the other hand thank you once again for your help brother. Respect

well from where I am sitting it looks like around 50 to 80 grams per lady for this run bro, which is pretty good as long as you kick this thing perpetually. Your lamp seems pretty high, watch temps and see if you can drop it a tad. My estimate is on minimums to be clear. If money and time get tight I will drop you some cuts as long as you pay for the courier. Don't stress you are always sorted now bro.
 

Mad Hamish

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Managed to find those two beans i lost when i dropped the pots lol ! i was gently scratching through the mix and i found them both germinating like 6 inches deep ! I was thinking of putting two smaller pots beside the church but i dont know how well my no till soil will do in about half a gallon ?

Would you think its cool to keep the seedlings in the tent while the lights are on and then on my windowsill when the lights are out during the day ? Already logged in to gage though will commence the searching !
Ten liters minimum pot size, under that they just break your heart, so 3 gal is minimum for flower unless you are flowering clones straight no veg or going straight 12/12 but even there under 3 gal is pointless as the plant will take a similar amount of room as something in a twenty liter. Under 3 gal or ten to twelve liters you get very bad expression of potential.
 

st0wandgrow

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Thank you very much!

I'll get on the municipal website and check out a water analysis. I'm imagining they use chloramine, hopefully not though...

Thanks again! I'll update every so often with pics!

Thanks guys!
Hey Senile...

I bought one of these a year or so ago and it works like a charm. Five stage filter, removes 93% of chloramines and other disolved solids, and doesn't waste a drop of water (unlike most RO units). Might be a cheaper and easier option than buying jugs of water.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Perfect-Water-Technologies-Home-Master-Jr-F2-Elite-SinkTop-Water-Filtration-System-in-White-TMJRf2E/203841387

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DonPetro

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Hey Senile...

I bought one of these a year or so ago and it works like a charm. Five stage filter, removes 93% of chloramines and other disolved solids, and doesn't waste a drop of water (unlike most RO units). Might be a cheaper and easier option than buying jugs of water.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Perfect-Water-Technologies-Home-Master-Jr-F2-Elite-SinkTop-Water-Filtration-System-in-White-TMJRf2E/203841387

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I was thinking of a filtration system in time for spring. For now snow water is working good. I may just set up a rain barrel though.
 

ODanksta

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Becareful collecting rain water, its very easy to bring unwanted guest into your home. I was using rain water a couple years ago, and always had spidermites. Now I only use RO and no mites.. if rain water is being used I would suggest boiling it first.
 
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SouthernSoil*

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Ten liters minimum pot size, under that they just break your heart, so 3 gal is minimum for flower unless you are flowering clones straight no veg or going straight 12/12 but even there under 3 gal is pointless as the plant will take a similar amount of room as something in a twenty liter. Under 3 gal or ten to twelve liters you get very bad expression of potential.
Fully understood bro, my pots are no less than 3 gal, i see what you mean though, plant will grow as big but the bud will be slacking. My sensi super skunk fem germinated with its first set of true leaves love the quick germination rate in this base mix bro, the look of it, the smell its beautiful ! Bro if i can confirm with you, you said you only feed with the all purpose tea in week 4 flowering right ? Much respect & hope you had a awesome day brother ! :peace:
 

Mad Hamish

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Fully understood bro, my pots are no less than 3 gal, i see what you mean though, plant will grow as big but the bud will be slacking. My sensi super skunk fem germinated with its first set of true leaves love the quick germination rate in this base mix bro, the look of it, the smell its beautiful ! Bro if i can confirm with you, you said you only feed with the all purpose tea in week 4 flowering right ? Much respect & hope you had a awesome day brother ! :peace:
Actually I stopped chasing the green that far and my last teas are now the day I hit flower. In flower I let them run out, deficiencies are tweaked for the next run if needed. Less is more I learned ;)
 

SouthernSoil*

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well from where I am sitting it looks like around 50 to 80 grams per lady for this run bro, which is pretty good as long as you kick this thing perpetually. Your lamp seems pretty high, watch temps and see if you can drop it a tad. My estimate is on minimums to be clear. If money and time get tight I will drop you some cuts as long as you pay for the courier. Don't stress you are always sorted now bro.
Awesome brother, 50-80 is decent, just not sure how much ill get on the smallest lady that just germinated though, my lamp is about 30 cm (12") from the church & say about 40-45 (16") from the Diesel & unknown on the far left, they have stretched quite a bit since i took that picture bro, i will definitely take measurements when lights come on later. Bro some cuts would be really really dope! will definitely pay for the courier brother but i was wondering if it would be worth it now seeing as i got the other ladies all growing ? Really appreciate your offering bro, i still cant even thank you enough for all the help you've given me so far.
 

SouthernSoil*

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Actually I stopped chasing the green that far and my last teas are now the day I hit flower. In flower I let them run out, deficiencies are tweaked for the next run if needed. Less is more I learned ;)
Awe bro so if im getting you correctly you hit them with a tea when they in flowering and then thats it ? Only one for the whole run ? Respect : )
 

Mad Hamish

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In veg they will maybe get two or three it all depends. I top dress and not always with the same things, right now it is a batch of compost I made using horse manure, rock dust, bokashi, gypsum, BTi and a few other goodies so it is wet and forget all the way absolutely zero teas on those girls. if they are happy and healthy in veg you only need that one tea beginning flower IMO. Using the mix you are using you won't need more than that I don't reckon. If they state going lighter from week six or what this is perfect, if the fade comes earlier another tea might be a good idea. Try get it all balanced before week four flower, you really don't want to add anything after that.
 

Mad Hamish

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Awesome brother, 50-80 is decent, just not sure how much ill get on the smallest lady that just germinated though, my lamp is about 30 cm (12") from the church & say about 40-45 (16") from the Diesel & unknown on the far left, they have stretched quite a bit since i took that picture bro, i will definitely take measurements when lights come on later. Bro some cuts would be really really dope! will definitely pay for the courier brother but i was wondering if it would be worth it now seeing as i got the other ladies all growing ? Really appreciate your offering bro, i still cant even thank you enough for all the help you've given me so far.
Open a Hushmail account and let me know when you had it... I will only talk cuts on very secure servers...
 

SouthernSoil*

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In veg they will maybe get two or three it all depends. I top dress and not always with the same things, right now it is a batch of compost I made using horse manure, rock dust, bokashi, gypsum, BTi and a few other goodies so it is wet and forget all the way absolutely zero teas on those girls. if they are happy and healthy in veg you only need that one tea beginning flower IMO. Using the mix you are using you won't need more than that I don't reckon. If they state going lighter from week six or what this is perfect, if the fade comes earlier another tea might be a good idea. Try get it all balanced before week four flower, you really don't want to add anything after that.
For sure bro depends on what base mix is being used, the ewc in my mix seems to be working pretty well for the ladies as they dont seem deficient in anything but then again its also my first run & im hitting 2 weeks on Sunday and the buds seem to be forming beautifully.

I see you are experimenting with different methods bro, the way they act to the variations of different amendments must be seriously interesting, i added some pics with some a little more close up, im thinking a tea on week 4 might do the trick well brother, i take it if you add anything after it can affect taste and high quite drastically? I also had a quick look at the heights and they are at 25cm , 30cm and 35cm away from the light. Respect bro

I have a few of these spots on the lower leaves not many at all say about 5 leaves, not sure if this is just a burn from a hot concentrated spot of light.

Church

Diesel hybrid of some sort

Grapey lemon i actually have no idea what this is, some of her top leaves seemed to have curled sidewards a bit really not sure why maybe because of the heat i had.

Open a Hushmail account and let me know when you had it... I will only talk cuts on very secure servers...
Will let you know as soon as i have one brother :peace:
 

Mad Hamish

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That burn looks like jeat stress in a hot soil mix, nothing to panic about at this point. Lamp height is fine bro, looks waaaaaaay further in the pics. Actually on the line to too close but I see you havea probe in the canopy so I am certain you have your eyes on all parameters. Two more weeks of stretch left, things are going to get tight in there soon enough lol. I wish my first run came close, total ghetto style that was. Total herm factory, it wasn't pretty. Kicking ass mate. Anyhow, it is not so much that I experiment with different methods, it is more a case of what is available either on my land or as close to as possible to work with. In the end it is all compost, whether it was made with lawn and kitchen scraps or a tweaked heap with manure or out of my wormy bins. I see it all as the same method, Living Organics, and seeing as the plant is in control results are insanely predictable now I have learned not to pump it up with too many nitrogen sources and to always use lacto's. From there it is the ratio of thirds in the base mixes, and that is it. As I mentioned I top dress liberally which is enough to keep building my soil as I recycle, each run I add more than the plant takes out. I never plant anything but canna in my soils so after three generations they are pretty much loaded with a cannabis specific micro herd. I am going one step further and developing PHENO specific micro herds, where I only run ONE CUT in that soil. Hitting generation 3 on the Zombie Balls now, yields are already much improved while high and flavor remain perfectly unchanged, each clone so far has hit and tasted the same. But it all boils down to soil structure in the end.
 
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