Affordable?

[Rob Roy]

No, you're thinking of capitalism, where resources and economic infrastructure are privately owned. That's what free-trade is all about. Sounds like you're getting tired of it and want to see some more fair-trade.

I think self ownership is a given. Which resources do you think can be and which cannot or should not be privately owned?

 

[abandonconflict]

I think self ownership is a given.

I think self ownership is retarded. People are not property at all. You don't own yourself, you ARE yourself. People can not be property.

I'm not the least bit surprised that you think people are property. The only kind of rights you observe are property rights.

 

[NLXSK1]

I think self ownership is a given. Which resources do you think can be and which cannot or should not be privately owned?

How about indentured servitude? How do you feel about that? If it was voluntary of course...

 

[abandonconflict]

How about indentured servitude? How do you feel about that? If it was voluntary of course...

What a stupid fucking question, of course he is alright with it, this guy thinks pedophilia is ok as long as it is voluntary and consensual.

 

[abandonconflict]

Austerity...

 

[NLXSK1]

What a stupid fucking question, of course he is alright with it, this guy thinks pedophilia is ok as long as it is voluntary and consensual.

So does planned parenthood....

 

[abandonconflict]

So does planned parenthood....

What is your point?

 

[NLXSK1]

Austerity...

This is a false argument. How do we address climate change already makes several assumptions to get to that point. First, it is not a proven fact that the climate change is abnormal. Second, there is no evidence we can affect the climate in a significant way. Third, there is not a consensus that we should try.

There are many subtle things that affect the climate including orbits and rotations that take hundreds, thousands and even millions of years. The sun's output is not a constant either. There is no true way to do a scientific test because there is no way to establish an absolute baseline as a reference point. It is all hypothesis and theory.

 

[abandonconflict]

This is a false argument.

No, and everything else you said was BS too, except "and theory". Man made global warming is a theory. That is to say that the scientific community agrees on it, as evidenced by the lack of valid counter-arguments. It is like evolution and gravity.

STFU

 

[UncleBuck]

it is not a proven fact that the climate change is abnormal.

when was the last time CO2 shot up by 150 PPM in 100 years?

 

[sheskunk]

Austerity...

Another grammatically incorrect meme. Brought to you by Facebook no less.

 

[Rob Roy]

I think self ownership is retarded. People are not property at all. You don't own yourself, you ARE yourself. People can not be property.

I'm not the least bit surprised that you think people are property. The only kind of rights you observe are property rights.

You are free to believe what you wish. Self ownership exists in the sense that you can ( or should be able to) disposition yourself in the same way that you can your own property. Reciprocably, you cannot (or should not) attempt to disposition other people or their justly acquired property against their wishes. In that sense we all own ourselves but not others. Think of self ownership as the right to self determine.

You never answered what can and cannot be property. Is that government check you get every month your property ? How did it become yours?

 

[ChesusRice]

You are free to believe what you wish. Self ownership exists in the sense that you can ( or should be able to) disposition yourself in the same way that you can your own property. Reciprocably, you cannot (or should not) attempt to disposition other people or their justly acquired property against their wishes. In that sense we all own ourselves but not others. Think of self ownership as the right to self determine.

You never answered what can and cannot be property. Is that government check you get every month your property ? How did it become yours?

I cannot own land without a govement delineating borders.
Without force they have no way to uphold the law.
If you want to live in a near lawless state. Try Somalia

 

[Rob Roy]

How about indentured servitude? How do you feel about that? If it was voluntary of course...

No thank you, I'm happily retired.

If a person is prevented from making a voluntary labor agreement with another, aren't they in some way enslaved to the person that is trying to prevent them from making a voluntary agreement?

 

[Rob Roy]

I cannot own land without a govement delineating borders.
Without force they have no way to uphold the law.
If you want to live in a near lawless state. Try Somalia

Land didn't exist before coercive government gangs took over? Wow...who knew?

 

[abandonconflict]

Think of self ownership as the right to self determine.

Actually, I think of it is a way for you to continue believing that rights are derived from being owned, when in fact ownership is contrary to innate rights. I don't own myself, nobody owns me, I'm not property and that is the very foundation upon which I declare my rights.

Stop acting like you believe in rights, all you believe in is property.

 

[Rob Roy]

Actually, I think of it is a way for you to continue believing that rights are derived from being owned, when in fact ownership is contrary to innate rights. I don't own myself, nobody owns me, I'm not property and that is the very foundation upon which I declare my rights.

Stop acting like you believe in rights, all you believe in is property.

You're missing the point. Nobody but you can own you is the point. Anyhow, its not that important, since we both (apparently) believe nobody should own others.

By the way, what IS property ? Who can own it? Are you stealing when you take the stolen money? Isn't that the property of other people that had it stolen by your beloved government ?

Do you take the stolen money and return it to the people it was taken from or do you spend it on yourself to acquire personal property?

 

[Rob Roy]

when was the last time CO2 shot up by 150 PPM in 100 years?

That's a good point. Another scary thing is the methane levels in the Wendys bathrooms has spiked. Please help us Obama!

 

[abandonconflict]

Nobody but you can own you is the point.

Yes, that is my point.

 

[Rob Roy]

Yes, that is my point.

So we agree that nobody can own other people. We're half way there.

I say nobody but you can (should) disposition your justly acquired property. What do you say?