Just joined, and I'm wondering....

dbkick

dbkick

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SabreKittie said:
....as I was told to fuck off on my very first post, for absolutely no reason, I'm wondering if this is the sort of community that welcomes new members and I've just had a bad experience, or have I stumbled into a clique and should not waste my time?
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It has gotten worse over the past few years but don't take it personal.
Basically the way you're received here depends on you and your actions.
 
dbkick

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SabreKittie said:
I'm honestly not sure how to NOT take it personally, as you've just said the way you're received depends on you and your actions, and I wasn't the least bit rude with my post. :-/
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If that's the case its on the other user that told you to fuck off.
Ignore it. Now if you start asking questions about how to set your timer that's asking for ridicule.
 
Growan

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.....to wander into a thread about a brain tumor in which people have cited scientific studies about the efficacy of cannabis, and state it makes you livid when people claim it works is just daft. Especially in the Tone n Talk section.
In your situation, it may not be of any use, but don't go round pissing on other peoples cornflakes on your first post and expect to get a slap on the back for it.

Oh, did you managed to find somewhere to score some weed in the end?!?
 
SabreKittie

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Growan said:
.....to wander into a thread about a brain tumor in which people have cited scientific studies about the efficacy of cannabis, and state it makes you livid when people claim it works is just daft. Especially in the Tone n Talk section.
In your situation, it may not be of any use, but don't go round pissing on other peoples cornflakes on your first post and expect to get a slap on the back for it.

Oh, did you managed to find somewhere to score some weed in the end?!?
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I've seen the research. Read it all before. Did I, or did I not say that my daughter was also suffering from a similar disease? I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I don't automatically buy into pro-cannabis propaganda any more than I buy into anti-cannabis propaganda. I'm not stupid or unreasonable, and a handful of anecdotal evidence means nothing. Show me a real study with real measurable results and I might change my mind, but it simply isn't there. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

Also, I was nothing but polite when I stated my opinion. Had I typed out my actual reaction to the thread, I might see a reason for your childishness. But maybe you're just shy and looking for a way to start a conversation. Otherwise why would you have followed me to this thread?
 
Growan

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SabreKittie said:
I've seen the research. Read it all before. Did I, or did I not say that my daughter was also suffering from a similar disease? I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that I don't automatically buy into pro-cannabis propaganda any more than I buy into anti-cannabis propaganda. I'm not stupid or unreasonable, and a handful of anecdotal evidence means nothing. Show me a real study with real measurable results and I might change my mind, but it simply isn't there. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.

Also, I was nothing but polite when I stated my opinion. Had I typed out my actual reaction to the thread, I might see a reason for your childishness. But maybe you're just shy and looking for a way to start a conversation. Otherwise why would you have followed me to this thread?
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I actually just hit the new posts tab, and this was the first posting.

Likewise, I don't buy into everything I read. I'm no sheep.
multiforme glioma is a raging bull of a condition which I accept may not be effected beneficially by use of cannabis. This isn't that surprising since survival time is only increased by a matter of months when chemotherapy and surgery are employed as opposed to no treatment, but of course you know that.
In the case of the other patient with a 7 year life expectancy, I would say that a cannabis concentrate would have enough time to have a positive effect.

To state that shooting cannabis in a petri dish with a firearm destroys the cells too (sorry, can't quote you properly the post has been deleted) is basically just bollocks and made your whole post kind of pointless.

You say cannabis doesn't cure cancer and it makes you livid when people say it does, others say it works and you can keep your anger to yourself. Your 'actual reaction ' must have been pretty clearly represented in your comment, or you most likely wouldn't have got the response you did.
 
SabreKittie

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Actually, now that you aren't being a douche-nozzle, I'll clarify a couple of things. First, you are confusing glioma with glioblastoma, the latter being the fast growing type, the former being the slower growing type. Multiforme just means she has multiple tumors. The studies we are referring to are supposed to work specifically for the type of tumors she has. Seven years to live and all that. So don't think that I haven't been down this road, and yeah, my daughter is dying, so this kind of shit really pisses me off. Because it is bullshit, and I wish it wasn't. And as with things like faith healing, it really hurts me to see people go through the extra hardship of false hope that some miracle cure is going to make everything better. Sometimes people do make "miraculous" recoveries, but most don't. Cannabis can be a great help for anxiety, anorexia, nausea, and other symptoms of the disease and the mediocre treatments available for it, but that's all. Also, I said shooting cancer cells with a gun in a petri dish, not shooting cannabis in a petri dish. That doesn't even make sense. Are you high right now? If so, you're excused if you promise to share.
 
Growan

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SabreKittie said:
I said shooting cancer cells with a gun in a petri dish, not shooting cannabis in a petri dish. That doesn't even make sense. Are you high right now? If so, you're excused if you promise to share.
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Yeah, I screwed up the 'quote' as I was trying to go back to the other thread to get it right. Fail, huh? And no, believe it or not, not high, drunk or otherwise.

I'm glad a got the wrong condition that's affecting your daughter. The other sounds like the worst sort of a nightmare.

I personally know a woman in her 50s who came back an aggressive cervical cancer after taking a tincture made from homegrown cannabis and home distilled alcohol. It was either her own body's strength, the tincture or miracle/fluke/coincidence. She rejected the offer of chemo etc.
Obviously not a perfect comparison, just a case I can speak of without plucking stories from the internet.

...so you say the studies show effacacy in cases like your daughter's, but in her case it's not working?

(I am almost always a douche-nozzle, just so you know)

Edit: just reread and it almost sounded like I was implying your situation was anything less than a nightmare, not my intention
 
SabreKittie

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The studies, as I said, show only anecdotal evidence. They've shown that tumor cells are affected by the cannabis, but they don't know enough about it to even begin to know how to treat anything with it. Maybe someday there will be a cure based on this research, and I do hope there will be, although it will of course be a bitter victory, but hemp seed oil, etc. is not going to do it. I do find stories like the one you mentioned interesting, because it could very well be that she has a unique immune system that can "by her body's own strength" make her well. Or maybe the tincture cause some kind of reaction. Most likely it was just a coincidence, but the fact is people do sometimes recover from "incurable" diseases, and no one knows why. Which is why we want to attribute it to god or our drug of choice. I will grant, though, that hemp seed oil is really nutritious, which is a good thing for any kind of recovery.

So I apologize if I came off as an angry grouch (as some of you were described in another thread, apparently) but this kind of thing is one of my biggest peeves.
 
SabreKittie

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Ha ha, re: your edit, I was going to tease you about that, and wanted to talk more about some things without going off topic, but I haven't figured out how to PM on here yet.
 
Growan

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Also apologies for the shitty welcome to the site. Sorry.
SabreKittie said:
The studies, as I said, show only anecdotal evidence. They've shown that tumor cells are affected by the cannabis, but they don't know enough about it to even begin to know how to treat anything with it. Maybe someday there will be a cure based on this research, and I do hope there will be, although it will of course be a bitter victory, but hemp seed oil, etc. is not going to do it. I do find stories like the one you mentioned interesting, because it could very well be that she has a unique immune system that can "by her body's own strength" make her well. Or maybe the tincture cause some kind of reaction. Most likely it was just a coincidence, but the fact is people do sometimes recover from "incurable" diseases, and no one knows why. Which is why we want to attribute it to god or our drug of choice. I will grant, though, that hemp seed oil is really nutritious, which is a good thing for any kind of recovery.

So I apologize if I came off as an angry grouch (as some of you were described in another thread, apparently) but this kind of thing is one of my biggest peeves.
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OK. I take all that on board, but since you're not anti-cannabis, why the hell wouldn't you consider trying something that anecdotal evidence says works? Your daughter is dying, but rather than try something that may work, you get angry that people say it worked for them, or somebody, or a petri dish? Don't get it....

If it was me in that situation I'd be trying everything before slamming it for being unproven. You might even find me praying, which is not something I do or believe in. You wouldn't find me telling people not to pray for my loved one.

Just because cannabis is used recreationally by healthy people, doesn't preclude it from having as yet unproven health benefits, surely?
 
Growan

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SabreKittie said:
Ha ha, re: your edit, I was going to tease you about that, and wanted to talk more about some things without going off topic, but I haven't figured out how to PM on here yet.
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Pming is done by starting a conversation. Click the persons avi, and then the start conversation button on the pop up. May not be there until you become more established member, as with the 'like' feature
 
SabreKittie

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No, it absolutely doesn't, and while I understand why you would feel like trying everything and anything that anyone has ever claimed might help, I suppose I'm more of a realist, and also it would be impractical. When she was diagnosed she was only five, and I had only been smoking casually for a couple of years, so even if I had thought it would help, it isn't legal here even for medical use, and it would have been risky for me to try to make edibles on my own with almost zero experience with it. I did bring it up to her doctors, and I know they aren't anti-cannabis, as they do prescribe cannabis based meds for nausea, but they almost kind of laughed at me for even mentioning it. By the time she was really ill, the main symptom was nonstop nausea and vomiting, so edibles would have been out of the question.

You would never catch me praying, though. I talk to myself all the time, but I never expect an answer. Faith healers are almost exclusively scam artists, and they took quite a lot of money from my partner's grandparents after he became a paraplegic and they went to one after another before accepting that "God's answer was no." Makes my blood boil.

edit: "He" refers to the grandfather, not my boyfriend. My life sucks, but not quite THAT much. Yet.
 
Growan

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I'm in Ireland, which is about as backward as you can get regarding medical cannabis use. Frankly that has zero bearing on my choices with regards to growing, processing and using it any way I choose. I find it helps with my arthritis, but I am a light user, I rarely sit down just get stoned 'for the buzz'.

And yeah, faith healers taking money are all charlatans. The church is a hugely successful scam in my eyes.

As for making edibles EVERYTHING you need to know is here on this site, but a concentrate like an oil or tincture would probably be more suitable for somebody unable to keep food down.

And doctors aren't paid to tell you cannabis might help. They get their pay packets by handing out antibiotics, antidepressants and flue jabs. Most GPs are as useless as priests in my experience, which i admit is limited.
 
SabreKittie

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I agree with you in general on your last point, but I don't think the pediatric oncologists are holding out on a known cure. I think they may be as predisposed as the general population to think that cannabis is more or less just meant to be recreational, but the real fault lies with the policies that don't allow researchers to do their jobs and figure out all that it does have to offer. If I had known of this site (assuming it existed in 2007?) I might have tried something like a tincture, but I might have decided against it anyway just because it might have made it difficult to recognize a serious neurological symptom in a child who is stoned. I'm too new to PM apparently, and I'm going to bed, but I'd love to discuss this more later. Sorry again that we both lost our tempers and got off on the wrong foot.
 
Growan

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SabreKittie said:
I agree with you in general on your last point, but I don't think the pediatric oncologists are holding out on a known cure. I think they may be as predisposed as the general population to think that cannabis is more or less just meant to be recreational, but the real fault lies with the policies that don't allow researchers to do their jobs and figure out all that it does have to offer. If I had known of this site (assuming it existed in 2007?) I might have tried something like a tincture, but I might have decided against it anyway just because it might have made it difficult to recognize a serious neurological symptom in a child who is stoned. I'm too new to PM apparently, and I'm going to bed, but I'd love to discuss this more later. Sorry again that we both lost our tempers and got off on the wrong foot.
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Yeah, it's a poignant subject alright.
It's 7:45am here, I've been insomniac-ing since 2.
Kids are awake now, the day begins for real....

Sweet dreams, and I'll no doubt see you around.

Top tip - stay out of the Politics section. It's nasty in there.

:)
 
ayr0n

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I don't think anyone is gonna hold hands and skip through the woods here, but overall ppl seem to be fairly decent...The trick is to overlook the bs and take it all lightly because everybody is tough behind a keyboard, and it's not like your uncle, mother, brother or something saying horrible things to you - just randomduechebag on the other side of the world. Randomdouchebag on the other side of the world exists in every community :)

I've had my fair share of conflicts w/ riu ppl but at the end of the day this place is loaded with an abundance of good information and cool people IMO...
 
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