Where is that oil from Keystone going?

[overgrowem]

I think we should build a toxic waste dump a block from your house.
And fuck all those intrusive government regulations.

Kochs are doing it, destroying towns and rivers then walking away from the cleanup.

 

[desert dude]

Absolutly 35 permanent jobs is well worth a leak that would poison the fresh water used by millions of people everyday.
My god you nailed it

The oil is currently transported by rail and truck. Which method do you think is more accident prone?

I suspect Keystone is similar to Dodd-Frank with most lefties: a simple mantra.

 

[ChesusRice]

The oil is currently transported by rail and truck. Which method do you think is more accident prone?

I suspect Keystone is similar to Dodd-Frank with most lefties: a simple mantra.

Which oil?
Most of the existing oil from Canada goes thru a pipeline

 

[desert dude]

Which oil?
Most of the existing oil from Canada goes thru a pipeline

I wonder why? Could it be that a pipeline is the safest, most economical method to transport oil, and tar for that matter?

 

[ChesusRice]

I wonder why? Could it be that a pipeline is the safest, most economical method to transport oil, and tar for that matter?

Moving goal posts?

 

[desert dude]

Moving goal posts?

Losing argument?

 

[ChesusRice]

Losing argument?

Can't have it both ways

 

[UncleBuck]

I think we should build a toxic waste dump a block from your house.
And fuck all those intrusive goverment regulations.

he lives in apache junction.

it already is a toxic waste dump.

 

[UncleBuck]

The oil is currently transported by rail and truck. Which method do you think is more accident prone?

I suspect Keystone is similar to Dodd-Frank with most lefties: a simple mantra.

you must be well-practiced at delusion.

keystone is a well known rallying cry for the right, not the left.

you need to convince your own constituents, the ranchers and farmers in nebraska who depend on the ogallalla aquifer, that it is in their best interest to have an accident prone tube of toxins cris-crossing their livelihoods.

they are your main opposition at this point.

 

[overgrowem]

Why no Keystone:. I seem to be a few keystrokes behind UB., but he has uncontrollably lurched into the right ans. It's the Oglalla stupid.

 

[Red1966]

So energy is not a national security issue
and you dont mind paying extra money at the gas pump which translates into less money you have to pay for other goods and services?
Which in turn stregthens our economy leading to more jobs and prosperity?

The Keystone pipeline isn't going to cause gas prices to go up. It will create downward pressure on prices. Your whole objection to Keystone is baseless. Canada is not going to stop selling oil if it doesn't get it.

 

[Red1966]

Kochs are doing it, destroying towns and rivers then walking away from the cleanup.

Strong allegation. Can you cite it?

 

[overgrowem]

you must be well-practiced at delusion.

keystone is a well known rallying cry for the right, not the left.

you need to convince your own constituents, the ranchers and farmers in nebraska who depend on the ogallalla aquifer, that it is in their best interest to have an accident prone tube of toxins cris-crossing their livelihoods. Ranchers and farmer are only the face of the opposition.

they are your main opposition at this point.

Every scientist that didn't grad. from an Oral Roberts type U. knows a spill could continue to take ever expanding amounts of acerage out of production for centuries. Do we want to risk that because some idiots misrouted a pipeline' bought the right of way,and when called out shrugged and said "Trust us lets build it there anyway. I mean what could go wrong?

 

[UncleBuck]

Every scientist that didn't grad. from an Oral Roberts type U. knows a spill could continue to take ever expanding amounts of acerage out of production for centuries. Do we want to risk that because some idiots misrouted a pipeline' bought the right of way,and when called out shrugged and said "Trust us lets build it there anyway. I mean what could go wrong?

there's a bubble forming on farmland in the midwest too. acres going for $9000 each right now in some places. that's valuable land that they don't want to lose for the pipeline alone, much less the inevitable spill that will eventually take 3000+ acres of prime land out of production for their entire lifetime.

 

[overgrowem]

Strong allegation. Can you cite it?

Can't cite, But it was this year. they had a huge,possibly unregulated, possibly due to regulatory capture,possibly illegal coal slag/waste pile, on the edge of a river in a town, that got away from them. When cleanup time came they provided a couple of pay loaders but nothing on the enviro. end, as that was already greased. It was all over CNN.and MSNBC. doubt if Fox covered it.You might Google Koch Industries coal spill?

 

[ChesusRice]

The Keystone pipeline isn't going to cause gas prices to go up. It will create downward pressure on prices. Your whole objection to Keystone is baseless. Canada is not going to stop selling oil if it doesn't get it.

They are forced to sell it to us now at below market rates.
But you want to change that?

 

[overgrowem]

there's a bubble forming on farmland in the midwest too. acres going for $9000 each right now in some places. that's valuable land that they don't want to lose for the pipeline alone, much less the inevitable spill that will eventually take 3000+ acres of prime land out of production for their entire lifetime.

Me thinks you are underestimating the possible damage by bunches

 

[UncleBuck]

Can't cite, But it was this year. they had a huge,possibly unregulated, possibly due to regulatory capture,possibly illegal coal slag/waste pile, on the edge of a river in a town, that got away from them. When cleanup time came they provided a couple of pay loaders but nothing on the enviro. end, as that was already greased. It was all over CNN.and MSNBC. doubt if Fox covered it.You might Google Koch Industries coal spill?

that was near charleston, wv.

don't worry, they fixed it though:

see? all fixed.

 

[Red1966]

Can't cite, But it was this year. they had a huge,possibly unregulated, possibly due to regulatory capture,possibly illegal coal slag/waste pile, on the edge of a river in a town, that got away from them. When cleanup time came they provided a couple of pay loaders but nothing on the enviro. end, as that was already greased. It was all over CNN.and MSNBC. doubt if Fox covered it.You might Google Koch Industries coal spill?

So you stated it as a fact when you don't even know what, where, when, or if anything happened? This is why I asked you to cite it. I think you want to believe something so bad you don't even bother to check the facts before you form an opinion.

 

[Red1966]

They are forced to sell it to us now at below market rates.
But you want to change that?

They can always build a pipeline to the west on their own. They can go to either of their coasts for that matter. Do they really sell at below market rates or did you just assume they did?