Where is that oil from Keystone going?

Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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All construction jobs are temporary in the sense that whatever it is they are building will be finished, but hopefully, your company has another project for you so your employment with the company isn't temporary.

Though if you put it on a long enough timeline, even working at a place for 40 years is temporary as well.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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I tried to post this on this thread but it somehow was posted in another thread. Maybe I was just too stoned:

This is all political bs.

The Keystone XL is the proposed pipeline. There already is a Keystone pipeline. As for the Oglala Aquifer, that's bs too. There are already hundreds of miles of pipelines of all different kinds running over it.




I'd also like to add that as you can see, the Keystone pipeline ALREADY goes over the aquifer.
 
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ChesusRice

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As the largest and most intricate wetland ecosystem in the United States, the Sandhills contain a large array of plant and animal life.[3] Minimal crop production has led to limited land fragmentation; the resulting extensive and continuous habitat for plant and animal species has largely preserved the biodiversity of the area.
The Sandhills are home to 314 vertebrate species including mule deer, white-tail deer, coyotes, red fox, meadowlarks, wild turkeys, badgers, skunks, native bat species and many fish species.
The Sandhills' thousands of ponds and lakes replenish the Ogallala Aquifer, which feeds creeks and rivers such as the Niobrara and Loup rivers. These bodies of water are homes for many species of fish. The lakes are mainly sandy-bottomed and provide water for the region's cattle, as well as a habitat for aquatic species. However, some lakes in the area are alkaline and support several species of phyllopod shrimp.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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ChesusRice said:
Absolutly 35 permanent jobs is well worth a leak that would poison the fresh water used by millions of people everyday.
My god you nailed it
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If oil and water don't mix, you would only be poisoned if you drank the water on top with oil floating on it.bongsmilie
 
kelly4

kelly4

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Yes, the oil will kill plants and animals, but the drinking water will be just fine. If the oil doesn't mix with the water, how will the drinking water be ruined?
 
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ChesusRice

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kelly4 said:
Yes, the oil will kill plants and animals, but the drinking water will be just fine. If the oil doesn't mix with the water, how will the drinking water be ruined?
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Crude has many components that readily mix with water.
And even if it didn't. It would still poison the water.
 
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NoDrama

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ChesusRice said:
Koch Industries environmental crimes, violations, and contamination include:
  • Subsidiaries of Koch Carbon have accumulated massive piles of petroleum coke in U.S. cities like Detroit and Chicago, where the toxic dust has blown into peoples' homes from a 5-story-tall pile of petcoke. Petcoke is a byproduct of refining tar sands that is usually burned like coal. Petcoke, which is more carbon-intensive than coal, is typically exported and burned in other countries with little to no air or climate regulations. While Detroit's mayor ordered Koch to move its petcoke pile, Chicago regulators and politicians have not acted with the same urgency despite sustained local protests from community members, nurses, and threats of lawsuits from environmental groups. In response, Koch claims it will add protections to its unlined pile, which could take two years.
  • Facing "enormous" cleanup costs for soil and groundwater contamination and high crude oil prices, Flint Hills announced in 2014 that it would permanently close its North Pole refinery outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. Koch blames contamination on the refinery's previous owner, Williams Companies.
  • In May 2001, Koch Industries paid $25 million to settle with the US Government over a long-standing suit brought by Bill Koch - one of the brothers bought out in 1983 - for the company's long-standing practice of illegally removing oil from federal and Indian lands.
  • In late 2000, the company was charged with covering up the illegal releases of 91 tons of the known carcinogen benzene from its refinery in Corpus Christi. Initially facing a 97-count indictment and potential fines of $350 million, Koch cut a deal with then-Attorney General John Ashcroft to drop all major charges in exchange for a guilty plea for falsifying documents, and a $20 million settlement.
  • In 2000, the EPA fined Koch Industries $30 million for its role in 300 oil spills that resulted in more than three million gallons of crude oil leaking into ponds, lakes, streams and coastal waters.
  • In 1999 a Koch subsidiary pleaded guilty to charges that it had negligently allowed aviation fuel to leak into waters near the Mississippi River from its refinery in Rosemount, Minnesota, and that it had illegally dumped a million gallons of high-ammonia wastewater onto the ground and into the Mississippi.
  • Koch's negligence toward environmental safety has led to tragic losses of life. In 1996, a rusty Koch pipeline leaked flammable butane near a Texas residential neighborhood. Warned by the smell of gas, two teenagers drove their truck toward the nearest payphone to call for help, but they never made it. Sparks from their truck ignited the gas cloud and the two burned alive. The National Transportation Safety Board determined that "the probable cause of this accident was the failure of Koch to adequately protect its pipeline from corrosion" and the ineffectiveness of Koch's program to educate local residents about how to respond during a pipeline leak.
The inability of Koch companies to avoid pollution incidents stands in contrast with Charles Koch's "Guiding Principles" of his trademarked corporate management theory, "Market-Based Management," which states, "Strive for 10,000% compliance with all laws and regulations, which requires 100% of employees fully complying 100% of the time." This also excludes from consideration the ways in which Koch is permitted to legally pollute.
Formaldehyde, Cancer, and David Koch
While David Koch, a victim of prostate cancer, has donated millions to cancer research institutions and is a member of the National Cancer Advisory Board, Koch Industries subsidiary Georgia-Pacific is actively working to downplay the dangers of formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.
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Can you prove that any of these were done on purpose by directive of one of the Koch brothers? Or were these unintentional accidents?

If BNSF has a train crash and spills oil, do we all get to point the finger at the Oracle of Omaha (if you know who that is) and blame him personally for it?
 
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