Agreed! A 4 lane xylem? Dude needs to put down the bong and pick up a bio book. The majority of people on here don't understand a thing about nutrient pathways. Suppercropping DOES NOT increase yield, it's not a miracle crop bumper, you'll get a bigger yield when you super crop and stack bud sites closer and therefore have a better ratio of plant height to bud sites and distance from the light/better penetration. its a dance, pot size, veg time, training methods. I can yield just as much per sq ft in 1.8 gallon pots vegged for 9 days with zero training that i feed a hormone that stacks sites at flower and limits stretch, as I do with my scrog that goes 6 weeks in veg. Unfortunately taking care of 100s of tiny plants is a pain in my cramped space so I do both, it also allows me to do side by side to find out how strains respond to different pot sizes and veg times.
actual benefits of super cropping ??????
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I accidentally (severely) supercropped one of my WW about four weeks into flower last grow. The branch was laying at a 90 degree angle from the plant, but the buds just grew upwards. I can't say I had a bigger cola on this branch than any of the others (or the other plants), but it did produce as much or more bud as a whole than the others (just not in one large nug).
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randude101
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Well it is no miracle but with a pure landrace sativa it is sort of a must-do indoors. My flowering time is 16-20 weeks and if I didn't pinch and bend all the branches I would have a solid straight light straight for the ceiling. It had to be done. In this case it most certainly increased my yield and allowed a lot more access for buds to get to the light. A lot more. And by the way I do it I really toughened the plants up. They can hold more buds. And I shortened the nodes. They could be 6-8". I pinched and bent 2-4 places between nodes and this really allowed me to shape the plant any way I wanted to take advantage of my light. So with a pure sativa like Col Jam it helped. I am also growing blue dream and I don't think it would work so good on that. The buds on the Blue Dream all seem to grow at the same rate and are easy to control without supercropping. I am growing a grape ape and I supercropped it and I am getting more buds than my friend did with the clone mother of this plant. His nodes are 4 inches or more and his yield is piss poor. He has 5 foot plants that will probably yield an ounce each.
So I say that wild plants with longer nodes or plants that have a cola that breaks out a lot from the plant's main canopy are a good candidate and plants that grow roundish are not as good. I am growing Lady Cane, and Silverfiellds and I have to read more to see how they plants grow from seed naturally. I will let you know when I know how I will deal with these.
As with anything growing weed one thing and one idea doesn't work for the wide range of traits available in the hybrids we are all growing in this day in age. Most advice should be directed at traits of a particular strain, with a particular environment.
So I say that wild plants with longer nodes or plants that have a cola that breaks out a lot from the plant's main canopy are a good candidate and plants that grow roundish are not as good. I am growing Lady Cane, and Silverfiellds and I have to read more to see how they plants grow from seed naturally. I will let you know when I know how I will deal with these.
As with anything growing weed one thing and one idea doesn't work for the wide range of traits available in the hybrids we are all growing in this day in age. Most advice should be directed at traits of a particular strain, with a particular environment.
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JonnyAppleSeed420
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All I did for years is super crop. Some strains will take the added stress and some won't. I since have learnt to grow my plants to fit my room. My yields are basically the same with both but now I lollipop and bring all my nodes to the light. Legallyflying said it right..." If you want to maximize yield indoors then you need to train your plants" There is no magic wand just experience.
ThorGanjason
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If you research the plants tissues on any particular stalk/branch, you will see that it has 2 layers- a "tube" in the middle called phloem, and then the outside layer is called "xylem". The phloem carries nutrients and water to the tips/extremities, and the xylem carries them back down.
When you super crop, you are cracking the xylem open, exposing it to dry out. The phloem is seperated by a membrane, and continues to stay wet and carry water and nutrients up the branch.
The idea is to damage the plants vascular system, and trap the nutrients in the tips. BUT! It also has plenty of secondary benefits, like helping even out the canopy, which helps distribute auxin- the hormone used to determine bud growth/size.
Edit: not to mention, it makes the branches stroooong as hell. I have some branches (on multiple top plants) that I've bent over so many times, that they have like ten knots one right after the other. I can hang a 5 pound weight on some of these branches now, they're so strong. Hopefully one of these days one of those branches will grow a 5 pound nug.
GranJero303
New Member
Snapping,bending,ductape?? Really? To super crop is simply to pinch the stem with thumb and fore finger(not with your nails!) Until it pops..not snaps in half or is damaged to the point of dropping over an if you need ducktape youve done to much
just a pop or two..the branch will sag slightly but nothing drastic..someone said snap an tie down for a couple days lol..def not sir..tieing and training branches is a totally dif texting for a dif purpose..(height limitations,trelising,scrog,etc.) Yes super cropping is beneficial..it not only helps via nutrient buildup in the knot but also helps stop stretching thus yiu get closer internodes thus more bud per branch..also when s.c is used early in veg along with the f.i.m tech you get several compact sturdy top buds..always lolipop as well and remove the bottom buds!! Make your bud focus its growing power on the top buds!
just a pop or two..the branch will sag slightly but nothing drastic..someone said snap an tie down for a couple days lol..def not sir..tieing and training branches is a totally dif texting for a dif purpose..(height limitations,trelising,scrog,etc.) Yes super cropping is beneficial..it not only helps via nutrient buildup in the knot but also helps stop stretching thus yiu get closer internodes thus more bud per branch..also when s.c is used early in veg along with the f.i.m tech you get several compact sturdy top buds..always lolipop as well and remove the bottom buds!! Make your bud focus its growing power on the top buds!
Greenwhilley
Active Member
I always lst my girls, I usually end up with a few branches with no where to tie down to, so I supper crop these ones.
it is a good way to get an even canopy and strengthen the stem, but I don't see bigger bud on the supper cropped branches compared to my lst branches.
it is a good way to get an even canopy and strengthen the stem, but I don't see bigger bud on the supper cropped branches compared to my lst branches.
whitebb2727
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Super cropping does equal bigger bud. I got one with 7 or 8 colas. Half were bent and knuckles formed. Those are bigger and the cola is growing fingers or pitch forking, whatever you call it. I'm going to weigh each half of the plant and avg out.
I kind of scanned thru this thread`.. One thing that I haven't read is that supercropping is kind of fun in a perverse sort of way. My favorite strain is snow white and I have always done the deed when the plant reaches 7or so nodes. I think it's important and easier to do it before the plant gets too mature and the stalk and branches begin to get woody and you must take much more care to bend not break I've never done it during flower. Never ceases to amaze tho how you can just muck up a plant, (I have been known to use weights and stakes to tie branches down. Plant looks completely screwed. and when you return 24 hrs later expecting the worst OMFG it is amazing. One of the most entertaining things a grower can do. IMHO way way better to do than defoliate.
GroErr
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Below are a couple of plants I just pulled on the weekend.
First was LST/FIM/Super-cropped throughout veg, I leave them alone for the last week to make sure they've recovered/healed and not stressed going into the flip.
The second is the same strain with no training, I may have FIM'd it once.
What do you think? Training of any form works, the process of training itself generates more growth. Not all plants will take well to super-cropping, sats and sat-dom hybrids tend to respond better ime but I've done indicas that respond just as well. Train and train hard through veg, let them heal before flowering and they will reward...
Trained:
No training:
First was LST/FIM/Super-cropped throughout veg, I leave them alone for the last week to make sure they've recovered/healed and not stressed going into the flip.
The second is the same strain with no training, I may have FIM'd it once.
What do you think? Training of any form works, the process of training itself generates more growth. Not all plants will take well to super-cropping, sats and sat-dom hybrids tend to respond better ime but I've done indicas that respond just as well. Train and train hard through veg, let them heal before flowering and they will reward...
Trained:
No training:
WhsprnEye
Active Member
I would say training does work. I have seen what it does. I now get better yields. I just started trining these beauties.
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Uncle Ben
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I just love bro science.
WhsprnEye
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Just look at these flowers without extra C02 Just plain air. You know training helps.I just love bro science.
