Guitar Man
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An experienced grower friend of mine just called me, telling me about this Video. I've never heard of this before, so I want to know if this is bullshit or not.
Can Tell if Seed is Male or Female?
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Silky Shagsalot
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i saw that pic he's referring to years ago. i never tried using that as a guide. i find it pretty unlikely that this is true, but i never tried it, so you never know...
ISK
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I recently ran an experiment based on this chart and used with opposing environments....male looking seeds in a female friendly environment, and female looking seeds in a male friendly environment.
it was not conclusive, but was interesting...have a peek
https://www.rollitup.org/t/can-the-environment-influence-the-gender.846902/
it was not conclusive, but was interesting...have a peek
https://www.rollitup.org/t/can-the-environment-influence-the-gender.846902/
Guitar Man
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Thanks for the responses. I really appreciate it! ISK, I'm going to check out your link a little later! 
rory420420
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Buy mine and find out 
I marked em...spotted brown are male,spotted brown are female...doesn't matter what you choose,I'm sending both!
I marked em...spotted brown are male,spotted brown are female...doesn't matter what you choose,I'm sending both!
Heygurlll
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I have a bag of over 100 seeds. 90%+ match the "female" criteria. I seriously fucking doubt that I have ~100/115 seeds that are female. In fact, I know these seeds came from a batch that threw 6 males for every 4 females (old school sativas.)
(My internet is going out so this is the third time im typing this -.-, actually 6th now and counting. )
This is nothing but junk science and speculation.
ISK it was a good test, but if i remember right, the experiment was worthless. It was not a "controlled experiment"and as such, any results would be thrown out.
Sample size was much, much too small. A real experiment would have 25-100 of an individual strain, likely with 5+ strains. A scaled down version would have 5-10m, and 5-10 f seeds in each room and be at least 2 strains, meaning 20-40 seedlings for half accurate results..
IMO a good experiment has no more than 3 variables. And always has a control group (regular grow style, no discrimination in seed shape, just first 10 or so that fall out of the bag.)
Strain takes one variable.
Room environment takes the second.
Seed structure is the third and most heavily tested in this experiment.
Your experiment did not properly test variable 3 as you had all 3 male seeds in female room, and all 3 female seeds in male room. Talk about flawed experimentation. You should have put "Male seeds" in female rooms, along with the same sample size of "female seeds" in female rooms,and of course both male and female seeds in male room)(if experiment is done correctly, it should not matter if grown in the same room, or in separate rooms with the same conditions, being that the point was not environmental control but seed shape. Personally Id do groups in the same room to save power.)
The results from a real experiment like this would be greatly appreciated.To bad it'd probably cost $45k-$60k+ to do right.
Sorry if this sounds a little antagonistic, its probably because I rewrote it seven times, each time when I was more p/o'd that t..........
Eight fucking times. This is too much. WTH! 9 times. Fucking error 522.
Im done. Hopefully this posts and I haven't wasted more fucking time. 10! Fuck!
(My internet is going out so this is the third time im typing this -.-, actually 6th now and counting. )
This is nothing but junk science and speculation.
ISK it was a good test, but if i remember right, the experiment was worthless. It was not a "controlled experiment"and as such, any results would be thrown out.
Sample size was much, much too small. A real experiment would have 25-100 of an individual strain, likely with 5+ strains. A scaled down version would have 5-10m, and 5-10 f seeds in each room and be at least 2 strains, meaning 20-40 seedlings for half accurate results..
IMO a good experiment has no more than 3 variables. And always has a control group (regular grow style, no discrimination in seed shape, just first 10 or so that fall out of the bag.)
Strain takes one variable.
Room environment takes the second.
Seed structure is the third and most heavily tested in this experiment.
Your experiment did not properly test variable 3 as you had all 3 male seeds in female room, and all 3 female seeds in male room. Talk about flawed experimentation. You should have put "Male seeds" in female rooms, along with the same sample size of "female seeds" in female rooms,and of course both male and female seeds in male room)(if experiment is done correctly, it should not matter if grown in the same room, or in separate rooms with the same conditions, being that the point was not environmental control but seed shape. Personally Id do groups in the same room to save power.)
The results from a real experiment like this would be greatly appreciated.To bad it'd probably cost $45k-$60k+ to do right.
Sorry if this sounds a little antagonistic, its probably because I rewrote it seven times, each time when I was more p/o'd that t..........
Eight fucking times. This is too much. WTH! 9 times. Fucking error 522.
Im done. Hopefully this posts and I haven't wasted more fucking time. 10! Fuck!
rory420420
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Its happening here and there....I get it occasionally...
ISK
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@Heygurlll
You may think what ever you like but it wasn't worthless....yes I know the numbers were small but I'm not going risk jail growing 100 plants and spend 40k-60K all for the sake of satisfying your criteria for an experiment.
I did what I did and I have never said it was a certifiable controlled experiment....so if you think you can do better then knock yourself out.....but all I see from you trolling
You may think what ever you like but it wasn't worthless....yes I know the numbers were small but I'm not going risk jail growing 100 plants and spend 40k-60K all for the sake of satisfying your criteria for an experiment.
I did what I did and I have never said it was a certifiable controlled experiment....so if you think you can do better then knock yourself out.....but all I see from you trolling
Heygurlll
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I was being 100% serious trying to give advice on how to actually disprove or prove this junk science (and explaining why a proper study outside of a Med state is likely never to happen..... outrageous cost and risk to grow a whole bunch of male plants) but whatever, call me a troll (i have been more an more inclined lately to be an ass), I really dont give a shit because this junk science would not cut industrial costs at all and does next to nothing to further the knowledge of this plant. Waste of time and money IMO, and I could not see anyone govt or otherwise funding such an outrageous claim as seed shape, ever.
The point is, 2 groups, 3 plants per, was interesting and hinted at stuff, but should be mostly disregarded (which is what you've been doing from what Ive read) as your experiment was severely flawed. I enjoyed it and as I was reading, I wished i could have explained to you in the beginning that putting all 3 "m" seeds in the f room and all 3 "f" seed in the male room was the equivalent of throwing any certainty or accuracy out the door. The test performed would be to re-test for additional evidence ONLY ONCE the initial conclusion is reached (and again, would need at least 5-10 subjects in each room).
Anyways, last time i try to explain how to do an experiment to someone so that their results actually have merit.... Have fun doing more experiments that will be "junked" for 1 single reason or another, when the test could have produced much much more accurate results by doing something as simple as 8 plants (2m,2f per room), and by limiting variables (in this case by making the tests fair/controlled.).
LEO t CHARKINS
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has anyone tried the rena
shishkaboy
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I am very glad you made the 10 posts and stuck with it. I was considering trying this out and after your have with setting it up, I know I will. I cant really see this working out 100% accurate like in the video, but there may be something we can learn from this about the shapes of seeds.
What about misshapen feminized seeds?
dbdweller
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We have always gone by the nose of the seed. If the nose was rounder then there was an 80% she was a female. It did not matter what the color was or spots or anything but mature seeds with a rounded nose. We would always get from 8 to 10 out of ten right . No Shit
and i am 52 and was trained in Humboldt County California when i was 14 and still growing lol I have had my share of seeds through my hands.
I can not say anything about the video till i try this myself. I did notice more female seeds of ours by his standards then ours. So the only way is to try it. Hey thats what i am fucking here for anyways right. Tell people what worked for me and to see what worked for someone else.
HEALTHY PLANTS ARE HAPPY PATIENTS
Peace out
and i am 52 and was trained in Humboldt County California when i was 14 and still growing lol I have had my share of seeds through my hands.
I can not say anything about the video till i try this myself. I did notice more female seeds of ours by his standards then ours. So the only way is to try it. Hey thats what i am fucking here for anyways right. Tell people what worked for me and to see what worked for someone else.
HEALTHY PLANTS ARE HAPPY PATIENTS
Peace out
Observe & Report
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Just go through the thousands of existing grow threads on this site and carefully note the sex of regular seeds popped. Think of it as a "systematic review." I bet you'll find the ratio is close to 50-50
Lots of people say they get 80-96% females but never with links to their grow threads where they're popping lots of seeds with that kind of ratio... I think it is just the natural human tendency to remember the good times and forget the bad. If they actually kept logs and analyzed them it would probably turn out to be 50-50.
Lots of people say they get 80-96% females but never with links to their grow threads where they're popping lots of seeds with that kind of ratio... I think it is just the natural human tendency to remember the good times and forget the bad. If they actually kept logs and analyzed them it would probably turn out to be 50-50.
last 2 grows from seed 21 seeds planted, 5 males both times. The funny thing is I breed, therefore I want males LOL perhaps the secret to getting more females from seed is desire
Heygurlll
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As I have noticed, little quirks like this are usually followed like a superstition. I also have noticed through reading tons of threads and through personal experience (only with regular seeds from amatuer breeders and bagseed from all around northern california) that environment+stress is the most reliable way to control ratios. I find this backed by the fact that cannabis is a hermi prone plant, and male genotyped seedlings DO sometimes show female phenotypes if conditions are favorable. IME the "How to grow more females from reg seeds" advice is rather accurate.
IMO it MAY be possible that a statement like "rounded, well developed, healthy seeds are 75% more likely to express a female pheno, and 60% were found to express female genos" is true. But it must be tested, correctly.
At the moment I have no personal experience with feminized seeds, and thus prefer not to postulate.
Also, I had the cops at my door yesterday/in my house/right outside where i had 14 seedlings, and I do not have my 215 yet. I'm gonna lay low for now, so later guys.
IMO it MAY be possible that a statement like "rounded, well developed, healthy seeds are 75% more likely to express a female pheno, and 60% were found to express female genos" is true. But it must be tested, correctly.
At the moment I have no personal experience with feminized seeds, and thus prefer not to postulate.
Also, I had the cops at my door yesterday/in my house/right outside where i had 14 seedlings, and I do not have my 215 yet. I'm gonna lay low for now, so later guys.
Heygurlll
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I also want to add that I think the tendency to chop males has led overtime to an increase in female dominance. I think 4000 or so more years of todays style of sensimilla growing will lead to the plant always starting female, but developing a pheromone that tells it when there is no males in the room, kind of like fish behaviors. Then we will be buying concentrated male pheromone every grow.
Guitar Man
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I've been growing for many years, not Cloning any of my plants. I only grow from seed. I've grown bag seed, seeds from a breeder I know in California, and seeds from my own plants that have Hermed on me.
In today's Cannabis World, especially in America, most seeds found in bag weed are Female because no one grows male plants in their garden (Seeds came from a Hermaphrodite, which are all female). It is possible to get a leak of pollen from someone who might be growing next door, not realizing they have a Male in their mix. But most today don't want anything to do with Male plants, so they attempt to grow all Females.
My point is this; with the dominance of female plants being grown, very few people need to worry about getting male seeds, and I have never had a male plant turn up in my garden.
I think some people confuse a Male with a Hermaphrodite, which is not a Male, but a Female that threw out some nanners/balls because of stress or genetics. In fact, the best strain I grow, a Sour Diesel, will throw out some balls if the right conditions persist, but the fucking smoke is some of the best found in our State. And the Buds are EPIC!!
I'm an extremely particular grower, wanting quality over quantity, and Hermaphrodites can be some of the best weed on the Planet! And I say this; so what if I get a few seeds!! Seeds are EXPENSIVE, and if my lady decided to provide some via some of her own pollen, then so be it! It will be the same Strain, and the seeds will be Female!
In today's Cannabis World, especially in America, most seeds found in bag weed are Female because no one grows male plants in their garden (Seeds came from a Hermaphrodite, which are all female). It is possible to get a leak of pollen from someone who might be growing next door, not realizing they have a Male in their mix. But most today don't want anything to do with Male plants, so they attempt to grow all Females.
My point is this; with the dominance of female plants being grown, very few people need to worry about getting male seeds, and I have never had a male plant turn up in my garden.
I think some people confuse a Male with a Hermaphrodite, which is not a Male, but a Female that threw out some nanners/balls because of stress or genetics. In fact, the best strain I grow, a Sour Diesel, will throw out some balls if the right conditions persist, but the fucking smoke is some of the best found in our State. And the Buds are EPIC!!
I'm an extremely particular grower, wanting quality over quantity, and Hermaphrodites can be some of the best weed on the Planet! And I say this; so what if I get a few seeds!! Seeds are EXPENSIVE, and if my lady decided to provide some via some of her own pollen, then so be it! It will be the same Strain, and the seeds will be Female!
Heygurlll
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No. No. No! No! No!
Fuck! No!
Disregard this person, they are much too prone to overgeneralization and have just made a really stupid statement.
This person has no idea.
Guerilla growing, large scale outdoor, newbies without a clue, "wild" bag seed weed, breeders. All of these are rather common reasons as to non hermi-pollination (reg seeds either male or female). Wind can carry pollen much further than "next door". Try next county man.
Often, people also pull the males late sometimes. can seed an entire garden like that.
I have no clue how you arrived at your conclusion, but its as far wrong as possible. Males are rare, and usually just misidentified hermies?...... I mean really? So we are all just dumb as fuck and everyone still doesn't know how to sex a plant?
Btw from personal experience with 60+ bagseed grown to ~10 nodes, i found a bunch of males. No pistils, JUST balls. Maybe its because the growers up here are real growers who either have a breeder hookup for quality reg seeds or buy 50+ regular female clones at the dispensary, and the weed gets seeded often by the guerilla ops (more reg genetics) in the canyons..