Coming to a School near you, passwords made meaningless

Red1966

Red1966

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ttystikk said:
Not so much more as you might think, now that republicans have passed school vouchers, which effectively subsidize private schools on the taxpayer's dime.
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There are not many vouchers, and they are drying up. What few there are generally go to students from poorly performing public schools. "Private" schools DO perform a public service, don't they? Don't the parents of the students still pay school taxes?
 
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ChesusRice

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Red1966 said:
There are not many vouchers, and they are drying up. What few there are generally go to students from poorly performing public schools. "Private" schools DO perform a public service, don't they? Don't the parents of the students still pay school taxes?
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Voucher schools perform as good as or worse than public schools.
Add in to that the Republican wish that they not be accountable at all and voucher schools end up being a pay off to private corporations and religious schools.
Voucher schools are just another way to destroy education.
Smart people who are middle class don't vote republican
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
Voucher schools perform as good as or worse than public schools.
Add in to that the Republican wish that they not be accountable at all and voucher schools end up being a pay off to private corporations and religious schools.
Voucher schools are just another way to destroy education.
Smart people who are middle class don't vote republican
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And teachers unions have a monopoly on destroying education so they dont want any competition!!
 
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NoDrama

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The school can KMA, if they want those passwords they can get a warrant and a court order and get them from the provider itself. They can use proper judicial process just like everyone else.

42 U.S.C. 1983
Basically this:
Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress,
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http://www.constitution.org/brief/forsythe_42-1983.htm
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
Yet they perform better than voucher schools.
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You have yet to suggest a solution to kids that graduate but cannot read at a 5th grade level. Why do you hate poor minority kids so much??

Their parents are demanding alternatives and I would be happy to allow them to try something rather than have their kids get denied an education RIGHT NOW... This isnt something that can be solved in 10 years, kids are losing out today.

So, what is your solution cheesy???


Kids in the 1800's knew a crapload more than the kids we put out today and they were learning in conditions without even electricity. What changed between then and now? Teachers unions and government.
 
Doer

Doer

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skunkd0c said:
folk that do this sort of thing will scan for proxies and rotate them
the ip is only banned for a few mins,

personally i think its trivial and boring but those that are into this sort of thing
will have tens of thousands of working proxies
also its not only used for websites

many forms of captcha were defeated years ago, with recognition algorithms with 80-90% accuracy
ill admit it tends to be used by folk who do not have the knowledge to use other methods
like (generating valid session cookies)

a friend of mine a few years ago was able to reverse engineer the login dlls of yahoo and windows messenger
from this he was able to crack the algorithm/encryption these programs use to authenticate
when you enter a user name and password it is converted to a session cookie basically using md5 sha1 and various other encryption methods
reversing the dlls and a good knowledge of cryptography allows this to be found
hashed cookies are used for logins so sites do not keep a database of actual usernames and passwords
he was able to generate valid login session cookies and take any account
caused a bit of a storm in a t-cup for a while

cracking can also be used for hardware like routers etc to steal peoples wifi
some routers generate automatic passwords, the algorithm that generates the password
can be cracked, it is also similar to how "keygens" work to crack software
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Well, well. SHA hash and diffe-hellman yourself. I didn't know you are a cryptic.
 
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schuylaar

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Doer said:
Oh uh, yeah, dude, uh, my password...hmmmm......uh, uh..password....

http://www.cnet.com/news/new-illinois-law-allows-schools-to-demand-students-facebook-passwords/

...this week Illinois parents began receiving a letter from school authorities informing them that their children's social media passwords may now have to be handed over, as part of school discipline. Motherboard reports that it obtained one of these letters. It reads, in part:School authorities may require a student or his or her parent/guardian to provide a password or other related account information in order to gain access to his/her account or profile on a social networking website if school authorities have reasonable cause to believe that a student's account on a social networking site contains evidence that a student has violated a school disciplinary rule or procedure.

You might imagine that this stipulation only applies to school computers and activity on school premises. It does not. The schools may ask for passwords and search on the basis of any posting by a student at any time and in any place.
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potential employers and colleges have been doing this for years now.

caution: anecdotal story ahead>>>>>my daughter when applying for grad school cleaned her FB and would freak if something was posted without her approval..
 
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schuylaar

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SnapsProvolone said:
Taxpayers pay thru the nose for welfare moms too. They and their babies get tested at birth since the gubmint is paying their medical care with our taxes. Same thing. You want out of the crappy public school system, see how much MORE it costs to go private.
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you don't like welfare moms? then why support anti-abortion and anti-birth control? do you get the connection, yet?

can't have your cake and eat it too, men.
 
Doer

Doer

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NLXSK1 said:
You have yet to suggest a solution to kids that graduate but cannot read at a 5th grade level. Why do you hate poor minority kids so much??

Their parents are demanding alternatives and I would be happy to allow them to try something rather than have their kids get denied an education RIGHT NOW... This isnt something that can be solved in 10 years, kids are losing out today.

So, what is your solution cheesy???


Kids in the 1800's knew a crapload more than the kids we put out today and they were learning in conditions without even electricity. What changed between then and now? Teachers unions and government.
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You say some real stuff. Kids knew more about what this country really is about in 1960. Then Chomski's Semantic Intention bullshit, became the double-think for numbing down to dumb America.
 
Doer

Doer

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schuylaar said:
potential employers and colleges have been doing this for years now.

caution: anecdotal story ahead>>>>>my daughter when applying for grad school cleaned her FB and would freak if something was posted without her approval..
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Son, we know you have trouble with the bullies at school. Now someone claims you have a picture of a piece of bread chewed into something that looks like it could be a hand holding an object, maybe a gun. We need your Facebook account password.

Me: I don't have a Facebook account.

Good advice, for all kids.
 
Doer

Doer

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ChesusRice said:
Voucher schools perform as good as or worse than public schools.
Add in to that the Republican wish that they not be accountable at all and voucher schools end up being a pay off to private corporations and religious schools.
Voucher schools are just another way to destroy education.
Smart people who are middle class don't vote republican
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What a clever avatar. It certainly seems more like you.
 
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ChesusRice

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NLXSK1 said:
You have yet to suggest a solution to kids that graduate but cannot read at a 5th grade level. Why do you hate poor minority kids so much??

Their parents are demanding alternatives and I would be happy to allow them to try something rather than have their kids get denied an education RIGHT NOW... This isnt something that can be solved in 10 years, kids are losing out today.

So, what is your solution cheesy???


Kids in the 1800's knew a crapload more than the kids we put out today and they were learning in conditions without even electricity. What changed between then and now? Teachers unions and government.
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And your solution is to defund education, put the kids in for profit schools that employ teachers without college education or certification.
And give minority kids the opportunity to fail even more in society.
All because your right wing overlords hate unions
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Doer said:
Well, well. SHA hash and diffe-hellman yourself. I didn't know you are a cryptic.
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Security was a hobby/passion of mine
but more so defense than attack (vitalization/sandboxing w32/kernel api hooking)
although many years ago i did get into writing a little bit of shellcode/bofs , but i am not that good at it :)
 
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