Controversial Defoliation Increases Marijuana Yields
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BigHulk
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I know that lilroach...trust me i know a loooooot about MMJ plants and i know what are u saying... but like i said ... i do that to expose more bud sites and it is working wonders for me, depending on strain 5% to 10% increase in yields since i start doing it , so i won't prove or disaprove that theory , it is individual choice .... i'm not saying everyone should do it but im saying it is working for me in scrog ... same thing like u r lolipoping , u stripping lower branches to drive that extra energy into the tops for obvious reasons , that is partial defoliage or i should say "selective trimming" ... do i think everyone who got scrog should do it ....NO... due to the fact that some inexperienced growers my do more harm than good to their plants ... should they try .... if they want let them .... after all i learn by try and error .... all im saying is in my scrog more bud sites equals more bud and if i have to sacrifice few leaves so be it ... u want to see whole bunch of colas on that scrog not whole bunch of leafy foliage... so my 5c on that ... and please if anyone else try to be smarty pants and post comments like the one above ... i'm not saying it is a bad comment... but don't try to be smart with me ... i hate that ...do i know everything when it's coming to our beloved plant ... no i don't ... do i know enough so people wouldn't try to throw those "smart " comments at me ... i like to think so ... so like i said i'm not here to argue or anything like that and i won't explain again to other random post why i'm doing what i'm doing .... it is working for me .. but it doesn't have to necessary working for u ... i get that ... i'm not stripping my plant's to the point of devastation .... i'm doing partial strip to expose bud on scrog that's all and i'm done with any more stupid comments .
No offense Lilroach... I wasn't talking to u perse ... i was talking in general.
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BigHulk
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Uncle Ben my brother that pic is so awesome that i am debating to put it as my avatar lol
well done Uncle ... Bravo
Figgy
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You need to change it b/c Yoda is about to throw a beat down on the Hulk in your avatar!Uncle Ben my brother that pic is so awesome that i am debating to put it as my avatar lol
BigHulk
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hahah
i highly doubt that he will beat he's own son lol
hahahhahah figgy my brother hit my avatar with your mouse ... u'll c what yoda is saying ... " hulk...I'm your father..."You need to change it b/c Yoda is about to throw a beat down on the Hulk in your avatar!
i highly doubt that he will beat he's own son lol
Uncle Ben
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Lol uncle Ben ... They still don't understand... I had to trim the lower leaves on my plants to make it easier to water,.. I know it will affect my yield, but I just have little choice... As I cut each leaf I thought " o man good ol uncle Ben would kill me.." Unfort don't have much choice this grow cause of injuries ..
Mr.Head
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Go look at Raidermans grows he's no longer with us, but his grows have been left here and are a shining example of what you can do with defoliation if done properly.
People can get good results with different methods. Raider and others have found successful ways to defoliate but instead of looking at the results and judging off that the party line is spouted repeatedly and the same talking heads show up to say the same thing.
I would urge anyone to look at the good growers that defoliate and tell me it doesn't have a benefit on their crops.
This is not outdoor, our lights only penetrate so far. Find out how to best utilize your light.
Uncle Ben tells folks to grow one way, while he has some great information if you don't take his information it's the highway with you. Folks that live in a bubble need to be taken with a grain of salt.
People can get good results with different methods. Raider and others have found successful ways to defoliate but instead of looking at the results and judging off that the party line is spouted repeatedly and the same talking heads show up to say the same thing.
I would urge anyone to look at the good growers that defoliate and tell me it doesn't have a benefit on their crops.
This is not outdoor, our lights only penetrate so far. Find out how to best utilize your light.
Uncle Ben tells folks to grow one way, while he has some great information if you don't take his information it's the highway with you. Folks that live in a bubble need to be taken with a grain of salt.
BigHulk
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churchhaze
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I cut off all my bud sites to increase leaf mass.
Weed salad diet is the new health craze.
Weed salad diet is the new health craze.
BigHulk
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Southerner
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It's hilarious and sad how many growers accociate correlation for causation. Durrr..I cut off all my leaves and the plant still produced some flowers, must be the way to go. It's up there with "my plants just grow better with advanced nutrients".
If "defoliation" was an effective method than it would be used elsewhere in agriculture. People talking about leaves using up energy instead of producing it should read a little bit about how plants work.
Please, someone link me a single scientific study about the positive aspects of defoliating. Preferably written by someone besides "Keef Treez" lol. Just one single source that isn't anecdotal bullshit.
If "defoliation" was an effective method than it would be used elsewhere in agriculture. People talking about leaves using up energy instead of producing it should read a little bit about how plants work.
Please, someone link me a single scientific study about the positive aspects of defoliating. Preferably written by someone besides "Keef Treez" lol. Just one single source that isn't anecdotal bullshit.
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thenotsoesoteric
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Spike through the stalk, check.
2000 ppms, check.
Top dollar fertilizers, check.
Water the plant every few hours, check.
Cut off crucial energy producing leaves, check.
Placing the 1000 watt hid inches above canopy, check.
Flush the plant for the two most crucial weeks of flowering, check.
Using all the suggested additives with top dollar fertilizer, check.
Not using ppm/ec and ph meters in hydro, check.
Having water temps above 72, check.
Buying the most expensive seeds and equipment before I developed any experience, check.
2000 ppms, check.
Top dollar fertilizers, check.
Water the plant every few hours, check.
Cut off crucial energy producing leaves, check.
Placing the 1000 watt hid inches above canopy, check.
Flush the plant for the two most crucial weeks of flowering, check.
Using all the suggested additives with top dollar fertilizer, check.
Not using ppm/ec and ph meters in hydro, check.
Having water temps above 72, check.
Buying the most expensive seeds and equipment before I developed any experience, check.
GrowUrOwnDank
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I'm gonna go with. Boutta pound.
Mr.Head
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Go look threw bens thread, if you can read past the circle jerk and think for yourself there's several links posted there.
The guy says he grows grapes and they use defoliation with grapes but it's used no where else in agriculture. Links are in his thread.
I love how folks success with an unpopular method is chalked up to hokus pokus. lol.
People that know everything about everything like to hang out in Bens thread, and threads Ben shows up in it's fucking annoying as hell. Think for yourselves my god.
There's so many options for scientific studies on cannabis right? And everyone with a screen name should be disregarded and if they have an experience with proof of that experience it's invalid? Some great "scientific" logic there friend.
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mofucka
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Figy????
Mr.Head
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Ok here's my thoughts on, since when is growing in doors under an HPS comparable to conventional agriculuture? as far as nutrients and plant uptakes sure. But we don't have the sun to grow 20 foot trees in doors with 15000 leaves per tree, at least I don't.
if I fill my space and use my piddly HPS light and have plants anywhere over 2 feet at least 50% of that plant is shaded out. Is someone here going to tell me that larfy fluffy shit that gets no light is great and what we're after? So why not use defoliation to get more light to less lit areas and get better buds from the lowers on the plant?
Does it increase yield? probably would depend on environment but I could certainly can and have see/n where it's beneficial to some people.
Fuck sakes the same guy that tells people to top their plants tells them that cutting off leaves is the worst thing in the world next to fucking 9/11. It's a bit ridiculous. What's the difference?
It's as if some would have folks believe that every single leaf on that plant is essential, and if they cut one off they are losing a gram.
Why is it such a bad thing for folks to try and get better buds on lower parts of the plant? I've seen plants that are 16inch of nice looking buds when they certainly wouldn't have been otherwise grown in that space.
Some strains are also insanely leafy and need to be defoliated, but that gets completely disregarded too.
if I fill my space and use my piddly HPS light and have plants anywhere over 2 feet at least 50% of that plant is shaded out. Is someone here going to tell me that larfy fluffy shit that gets no light is great and what we're after? So why not use defoliation to get more light to less lit areas and get better buds from the lowers on the plant?
Does it increase yield? probably would depend on environment but I could certainly can and have see/n where it's beneficial to some people.
Fuck sakes the same guy that tells people to top their plants tells them that cutting off leaves is the worst thing in the world next to fucking 9/11. It's a bit ridiculous. What's the difference?
It's as if some would have folks believe that every single leaf on that plant is essential, and if they cut one off they are losing a gram.
Why is it such a bad thing for folks to try and get better buds on lower parts of the plant? I've seen plants that are 16inch of nice looking buds when they certainly wouldn't have been otherwise grown in that space.
Some strains are also insanely leafy and need to be defoliated, but that gets completely disregarded too.
Figgy
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Nope, not I.
Uncle Ben
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You're implying he had a control group, used clones, had a standardized garden with ALL cultural factors the same, weighed the plant material of the control group and compared it against like plant material of the butchered plants..... and then replicated the exact condition and procedure 3 times to insure a sense of integrity and real world value?
Or.....you telling me he reported another bunch of anecdotal evidence letting the human element of "I see what I expect or want to see" influence his outcome and conclusion.....and yours too?
MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!