Ideas on a new system

[torontoke]

IM TIRED OF BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO....
its time to free up this subject...and let those who want to grow
and those who don't....well don't....enough rules and regulations...
the plant is basically harmless,,,,time we look at this the right way...
most would grow outdoors...simple and harmless....

While i do appreciate the idea of a mj free for all i think we have to realize that there are as many dumb people as smart ones and the stupidity factor sometimes requires guidelines.
I hope i live to see the day when we can all just do what we want but i disagree with you on the outdoor thing.
I would rather have 6 indoor harvests per year instead of one outdoor. At least here in ontario.

 

[rnr]

well a lot of high dreamers here.
imo no dispensaries, a max of 20 lp in Canada, and personal grows.
3 plants per stage? I can grow 15 plants and pull 30lbs every 2 months.
personal grows need to inspected, insured, regulated, and a test to show you can grow, schooling to teach ya.
you cannot sell anything, this is your meds, not a job. you need the meds and cant afford a lp. then you eat/smoke what you grow.
if you can grow or don't want to, you buy from a lp,
all lps need to keep prices under 7-8/g, and cheap eatables.

 

[torontoke]

well a lot of high dreamers here.
imo no dispensaries, a max of 20 lp in Canada, and personal grows.
3 plants per stage? I can grow 15 plants and pull 30lbs every 2 months.
personal grows need to inspected, insured, regulated, and a test to show you can grow, schooling to teach ya.
you cannot sell anything, this is your meds, not a job. you need the meds and cant afford a lp. then you eat/smoke what you grow.
if you can grow or don't want to, you buy from a lp,
all lps need to keep prices under 7-8/g, and cheap eatables.

So using your response you are saying you as a patient use 15lbs a month?
Where did u get 3 plants per stage?
Are u just fucking around or you being serious?

 

[bigmanc]

Lets go along with your arguement. Il use Tweed (feel free to replace the company and financials) to base my rebuttle on.

Tweed initially started with 4000 plants. Under your calculation thats 8000lbs every 2 months.

Tweeds quarterly earnings was was about 660,000$. Unfortunately they dont know what there doing and only sold 90kg/200lbs.

200lbs multiply by 448g. Bringing us to roughly 90,000 grams. Totaling in at 810,000$ gross. Keep in mind net is 660,000$ profit.

The only strain they have is 9$ a gram so we will use this figure.

So if they are doing there job aswell as you, a home grower. They would make 3,580,000$ gross ofcourse. Lets go ahead and minus the expenses from the gross/net profits.

810,000$ - 660,000$ gives them a QUARTERLY expense of 150,000$...how ironic.

Ok, they learned what to do and can grow like @rnr . Afterall these are professionals with years of experience and your only a home grower.

3,580,000$ with your estimations on yield per plant. Lets be honest they can pull more then 2lbs if they wanted.

So we have 3,580,000$ quarterly profits so lets get rid of those pesky off the top expenses.

3,580,000$ - 150,000$ operating costs. Totalling 3,400,000$ quarterly.

3,400,000$net divided by 660,000$net

Now dont forget this is QUARTERLY not bi-monthly...so lets go ahead and double that 8000lbs to 16000lbs. Down to the meat and potatoes. Tweed should never have to sell anything above 2.57$ per gram.

With there expansion of 10s of thousands of plants going in the greenhouse, i predict it shouldnt even touch the .50$ mark per gram. I know a grower on here producing for .14$ per gram INDOOR so use that as food for thought.

 

[torontoke]

I can see now why to most people that arent mj friendly how easy it is to spot the people out to take advantage of a system.
I know there are people that are really really sick and have scripts for really large amounts per day and im sure most people dont end up using or being able to use their whole script for whatever reason.
But anyone claiming to need 15 lbs a month makes us all look bad.

I was hoping to get serious thought on what you guys really think is acceptable.

 

[torontoke]

Maybe one suggestion to get away from hc inspections would be growing workshops or something along those lines.
Perhaps get the hydro stores involved like if someone is buying xamount of lights etc.

 

[doingdishes]

I can see now why to most people that arent mj friendly how easy it is to spot the people out to take advantage of a system.
I know there are people that are really really sick and have scripts for really large amounts per day and im sure most people dont end up using or being able to use their whole script for whatever reason.
But anyone claiming to need 15 lbs a month makes us all look bad.

I was hoping to get serious thought on what you guys really think is acceptable.

all depends on how you use it. if you do oil & filter it down like Sam Mellace, he gets 22 g from a pound. titrate that up to a gram a day & you are at 1.33 lb without ever lighting up or vaping. if you only do dabs with the oil, a pound of bud makes around 30 g shatter & if you dab 1 g a day, so far you are at over 2.3 lb a month. it can go quickly

 

[doingdishes]

Maybe one suggestion to get away from hc inspections would be growing workshops or something along those lines.
Perhaps get the hydro stores involved like if someone is buying xamount of lights etc.

or have to go to a course...you get the go ahead AFTER you take the course. it would have to include basic tips & safety stuff. then offer more so you can advance

 

[torontoke]

all depends on how you use it. if you do oil & filter it down like Sam Mellace, he gets 22 g from a pound. titrate that up to a gram a day & you are at 1.33 lb without ever lighting up or vaping. if you only do dabs with the oil, a pound of bud makes around 30 g shatter & if you dab 1 g a day, so far you are at over 2.3 lb a month. it can go quickly

Your making my case...he said 15 lbs a month.
And you cant sell of excess sooooo.
I understand it can go fast believe me i know a guy with a script for 120gs a day. He makes cooking oil and butter and everything else. Each cookie is over ten grams but even then man.
15lbs a month

 

[Doobius1]

Solid state electronic ignition module ever heard of it? U just MIGHT sleep better

I believe it was the solid state electronic ignition that was screwed up when I bought it...new. It wouldnt fire up.
Its actually this part of the system I dont trust. I have heard of them not shutting off.

 

[doingdishes]

Your making my case...he said 15 lbs a month.
And you cant sell of excess sooooo.
I understand it can go fast believe me i know a guy with a script for 120gs a day. He makes cooking oil and butter and everything else. Each cookie is over ten grams but even then man.
15lbs a month

well 15 lbs a month? that is excessive. i can't think of how even with juicing and the oil and dabbing....and vaping...and feeding Hippy's goat

 

[rnr]

see this is the prob, a lot of you THINK you know the way it should be.
others, torontoke.... can fucking read.
I said, as a dppl in the perfect conditions I can grow, 15 very large plants, each from 1-2 lbs a plant. look up the urban grower, he dose the same thing.
this is growing not injesting.

 

[Doobius1]

But its OK for you to THINK how its going to be but not the rest of us? Get off your high horse...tool

 

[c ray]

why can't a guy who needs for instance 15 lbs a year just grow it all in crop, what's all this nonsense about having to be be cropping continually? a guy should be able to grow and store 2 years worth of medicine in one go, if need be.. and what about contract growers, can a guy who doesn't want to or is unable to grow their own contract another grower to grow it for them in a one shot bulk deal.. what's all this nonsense about having to buy our medicine in small amounts a bit at a time, does not make for a sense of security, always relying on that next crop to get to the next crop and so on..

 

[leaffan]

why can't a guy who needs for instance 15 lbs a year just grow it all in crop, what's all this nonsense about having to be be cropping continually? a guy should be able to grow and store 2 years worth of medicine in one go, if need be.. and what about contract growers, can a guy who doesn't want to or is unable to grow their own contract another grower to grow it for them in a one shot bulk deal.. what's all this nonsense about having to buy our medicine in small amounts a bit at a time, does not make for a sense of security, always relying on that next crop to get to the next crop and so on..

valid point that will be raised.

 

[torontoke]

see this is the prob, a lot of you THINK you know the way it should be.
others, torontoke.... can fucking read.
I said, as a dppl in the perfect conditions I can grow, 15 very large plants, each from 1-2 lbs a plant. look up the urban grower, he dose the same thing.
this is growing not injesting.

I can read just fine thank you. Great that we can all talk so freely and not get worked up.
The point i was making is even if you can grow 15 lbs a month so what, what are YOU going to do with it if you think you shouldnt be able to sell the excess.
If you are growing for someone else they still have to buy it from you dont they.
These were the problems with the old system and the reasons it was so easy for the gov to want to kill it.

I dont claim to know anything...... this was about getting ideas out and talking. You know adult discussion.

 

[WHATFG]

I watched this in another thread...this is the model we should be striving for.....imo

 

[WHATFG]

I can see now why to most people that arent mj friendly how easy it is to spot the people out to take advantage of a system.
I know there are people that are really really sick and have scripts for really large amounts per day and im sure most people dont end up using or being able to use their whole script for whatever reason.
But anyone claiming to need 15 lbs a month makes us all look bad.

I was hoping to get serious thought on what you guys really think is acceptable.

I am one of those people that has a bigger script, but not fulfilling it. I can't for a couple of reasons..I don't have the space to grow more is only of them...I save up my sugar to cook with...

 

[torontoke]

I am one of those people that has a bigger script, but not fulfilling it. I can't for a couple of reasons..I don't have the space to grow more is only of them...I save up my sugar to cook with...

No judgement here from me. Id say most people dont fill their full script for one reason or another.
I know a few guys with large scripts that only use 25% of their script and the rest went to cc's
Again i have no issue with anyone selling however much they can but its income. Thats all i meant.

The gov cant bitch if they are getting a cut. Or at least thats the impression i get from their stance on tobacco and alcohol

 

[mojoganjaman]

I am licensed to run 68 plants outdoors and 256 indoors...this is for 2 folk, my friend also is licensed...we ran 33 the first year...last year was 18... no change in yield...lots of changes on how we grow...my .02




mojo