rory420420
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if you're popping any progro,I urge you to watch for the hermies..all this negtive stuff about cc isn't just a bunch of people clanning together to make stuff up...
cali connection blackwater...boo!
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tobinates559
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wow CC just dropped green crack and purple crack....its SOO funny because on the description of the purple crack it says "Purple Crack is Cali Connections Green Crack crossed with their Famous Blackwater male" o yeah those famous cali connection males that make fem seeds?? why would you make a strain and then make and sell the s1's from it??? or why would you make a female plant herm and then breed with that pollen??? SWERVE YOU SUCK, and anyone who sided with you just looks like an ass...[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]everyone[/FONT] knows you can find some good gear in CC"s collection of s1 seeds but everyone also knows that you could ruin your crop and will HAVE to sort through hermies to find that keeper
Jogro
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Well, not every S1 is hermie prone.
There are now three separate breeders who offer Green Crack S1 (Sickmeds, Riot Se-eds, and Cali Con), though they typically go out of stock fast. I've seen multiple grow reports on this, grown it several times myself and personally never seen a single hermie; even when grown right next to other plants that did go hermie. I've also seen multiple reports of self created Green Crack S1s, again, same thing. If you want to see my personal report on this (plus a lot more info on the line), see here:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/601519-sickmeds-green-crack-s1-feminized.html#post8410291
In this particular case, the original Green Crack is probably a true F1 between two stable inbred lines (in this case Mendo Purps and Skunk #1). So S1s of that are effectively F2s of the original parents. These will put out a wide variety of phenos, but they do have the characteristic mango/melon scent of the original and short flowering time. Interestingly, UNLIKE the clone only parent, the S1s also tend to go purple!
My issue with CaliCon here is basically the same one I have with Riot's S1. Making an S1 of a "clone only" line is pretty straightforward. There is no selection, and no real breeding skill involved there. All you have to do is take a clone of the parent, throw your "hermifying" chemical (EG Colloidal silver, etc) on it, and let it self pollinate. Or you can gather the pollen and use it on another clone (or clones). In 60 days you'll have beans, and that's really all there is to it.
In this particular case, the parent "Green Crack" is one of the single most widely available "clone only" strains in the marketplace, and dirt cheap, with good cuts available for $15 now. Consequently, beans of this type of S1 "should" be dirt cheap, amongst THE cheapest of ANY feminized beans out there.
I don't have a problem with breeders ASKING anything they want for their product. . .its a free market. . .but IMO, you'd be insane to pay the $20/bean price Riot and CaliCon are asking for fem se-eds of this, which is as much as really outstanding "worked" lines from other breeders. Sickmeds is asking roughly 1/3 the price (only about $7/bean) for the exact same thing, and IMO that's more like it.
Now, if someone were to create a STABLE version of this in regular se-ed form, then I think they might be able to justify a premium price, just to recover the work they did in creating it. I know of at least one private breeder who has been working on something like this; don't know of any commercially available versions/projects at this time. But again, doing something like this actually takes WORK. . .its not a quick "pollen chuck".
Slimjimham
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Hmmm gotta say I dont know anything about black water but in my early days I was lit buying seeds and had good success with Emerald triangle so I was going to try other seeds and saw Cali connect and just thought Cali:et and didn't realize till after the order I fucked up.
Well I bought,
Ace of spades- HERMIED horribly at 6 weeks... end smoke was nasty though it did look like it would get big... obv cut it when I saw a million bananas... too late
dead head og- HERMIED, not as bad as aos but it did... smoke was average at best with good bag appeal.
I have their freebie original sour diesel or whatever and their hog whatever... dont think ill ever grow em and give em a chance to seed my shit up again...
Well I bought,
Ace of spades- HERMIED horribly at 6 weeks... end smoke was nasty though it did look like it would get big... obv cut it when I saw a million bananas... too late
dead head og- HERMIED, not as bad as aos but it did... smoke was average at best with good bag appeal.
I have their freebie original sour diesel or whatever and their hog whatever... dont think ill ever grow em and give em a chance to seed my shit up again...
foreverflyhi
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Just want to put my input on black water.
gbeen growing 4 diffrent phenos that have their own personalities.
thus far the one that smells like cool aid with a hibt of og is the best.
Never had a herm, never had any bug problems with em, over all great strain.
gbeen growing 4 diffrent phenos that have their own personalities.
thus far the one that smells like cool aid with a hibt of og is the best.
Never had a herm, never had any bug problems with em, over all great strain.
Natural_Medzz
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I have used Cali Connection. Never Again. Ive grown from a few different, but reputable seed companies, Barneys Farm, Green House, Big Buddha and the list goes on, but never once did i have a hermie problem. Before anyone says anything, everything was on part, Temp, Humidity, light proof and feeding schedule. But then came Cali Connection. I had high hopes for the Blackwater... until flower came around. The plant hermied under my watchful eye undetected between bud sites and bam my whole crop was lost. Along with all my equipment being contaminated. Great. Been a year since and im just starting to get healthy hermie free crops. Never buying from Cali Connection again. Sent a few emails but never got a reply. My seedbank said they were getting a few emails about it lately and had got no reply from C.C either. It's a shame that i depend on this for my meds and trust these so called breeders and they put under par quality seeds on the market (from other threads i came across.
Dboi87
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I actually don't see a problem. The cannabis market has a definite demand for feminized seed, so why wouldn't a breeder cross two or more solid phenos to create fems?
Btw, we all love to assume that we are talking about S1 stock, but chances are, these seeds have gone through many back crosses to produce to most stable line that the particular breeder can offer.
One more opinion... Until you start trying to breed you never realize how complex it truly is. Most of our communities most loved strains are derived from herm prone descendants. It is extremely difficulty to completely eradicate a trait from a gene pool.
With that said, I have never grown CC seed stock.
Dboi87
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I think most breeders attempt to achieve this at some point. Some like sannie will be transparent about the generation of cross there are currently in but most don't. That doesn't mean it's not a constant work in progress.
I for one know, that if I decided to tackle the industry, it would do no good to sit around and wait half a decade or more to produce true stable genes. However, I wou be 100% transparent about what the customer was receiving. Like sannie or beanhoarder
Bubba's girl
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That's priceless, you telling growers to test run their genetics 2 or 3 times before committing to a big run...based on personal experience, I wonder if you even germ test your gear, let alone grow it out and test it...I could go on and on.
Thecouchlock
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This dude hit the nail right on the head. How does one take male pollen and create S1's ? The stories some breeders come up with make me think they are either really stupid or really really stupid.
rory420420
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OK.so I went and did what he couldn't,stabilized the blackwater...well,the blackwater I had,crossed it...
My Buddy's growing it out fine,no bananas,and damn,first try,females! Wow....
Any job openings?
My Buddy's growing it out fine,no bananas,and damn,first try,females! Wow....
Any job openings?
ounevinsmoke
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why you continued to use those seeds is hilarious to think of, lol
King Arthur
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I got at least 2 freebies in every order from cali connection, I learned fast to just give them away.
thump easy
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if you find a keeper black water is one good keeper for realz i wouldnt lie to you i dont gota like the guy but that strain is fucken dam good for realz
calyxian
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I've never kept a "CC keeper" for longer than 2 grows.
When he first came up w/ CC, Swerves versions of existing strains were not up to par.
His denial of herm gear showed he was a cunt.
His attitude still hasn't changed since the Elite case.
Everybody should burn Swerve like BigBuddha did !!!
When he first came up w/ CC, Swerves versions of existing strains were not up to par.
His denial of herm gear showed he was a cunt.
His attitude still hasn't changed since the Elite case.
Everybody should burn Swerve like BigBuddha did !!!
WHODAT@THADOR
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ounevinsmoke
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I got their boss hog as a freebie. I was pumped. I'm like yea, watch me prove everybody wrong. I'm thinking his name is swerve shits sounds cool haha. I mean its Cali, how could it possibly be bad?
Only two seeds as freebie.
Neither made it past germination
still didnt learn, ordered the Tahoe OG. Lanky plant with garbage bud. The complaints were nuts. I just cant do it
King Arthur
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You are lucky that the boss hog didn't make it, mine microseeded and the whole plant was garbage.
ounevinsmoke
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Just had High hopes for swerve and cali in general. I was looking for some west coast fire. I got a few keepers now though, dinafem gear and dr. greenthumb. Still saving up for mr nice, but I'm cool for now