Ethics & Seeds
- Thread starter King Arthur
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Says the guy who spends all his time in the politics section of a weed site. Do you even grow bro?
see4
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March 1, 2015. NoDrama? That you? Doer? Harrekin? Dumb dumb.
canned hamish
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You answered my question. Thanks.
King Arthur
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Holy shit its a canned ham, I wonder how the flavor is on that thing! I can only assume who you are talking to and I would have to say it just ain't worth it 
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Never had a canned ham before but I do love me some hawaiian pork... fuck me runnin I could go for another roasted pig. We did that back like 3 years ago at the collective it was way over the top.
. Never had a canned ham before but I do love me some hawaiian pork... fuck me runnin I could go for another roasted pig. We did that back like 3 years ago at the collective it was way over the top.
kona gold
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Here's the problem as i see it. If someone takes a strain like skunk#1 for example, yes sam the skunkman i'm talking to you, and they breed what they find or what they like in the seeds they got,, and regurgitate it back out labeled skunk#1.
So you lose the essence of the original strain. Not saying it wasn't improved on or not, but it's no longer that strain.
No one has a right to any genetics, as they have been worked for hundreds and possibly thousands of years.
If you make a white widow and sell the seeds to others, doesn't matter if they're just for you, you should identify the strain as such. Like King Arthur's White Widow, as opposed to the original White Widow. This then creates a baseline that one can go back to for further breeding purposes!
So you lose the essence of the original strain. Not saying it wasn't improved on or not, but it's no longer that strain.
No one has a right to any genetics, as they have been worked for hundreds and possibly thousands of years.
If you make a white widow and sell the seeds to others, doesn't matter if they're just for you, you should identify the strain as such. Like King Arthur's White Widow, as opposed to the original White Widow. This then creates a baseline that one can go back to for further breeding purposes!
TheHermit
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I think anyone that pays attention knows ak47 comes from serious, jack comes from sensi, blueberry from dj short etc. I don't think it is a matter of breeders not getting enough credit. Personally, I try and get them from the original breeder whenever I can, but I don't see a problem with picking up a knockoff in a pick n mix to see if I even like the strain before I drop a lot of money on packs. On some occasions the knockoffs turned out better than the real thing. I don't really see a problem with a breeder working a line and coming out with something different. For example, Sannies Jack.
I tend to stay away from new breeders until I see several glowing reports on that breeder. I am suspect of any breeder who does limited runs. If it was a great strain, wouldn't you keep the parents? I will buy a pollen chuck if it is cheap enough out of sheer curiousity, but I am not going to drop one hundred bucks on a pack of seeds when the breeder can't even produce a picture of the strain.
I tend to stay away from new breeders until I see several glowing reports on that breeder. I am suspect of any breeder who does limited runs. If it was a great strain, wouldn't you keep the parents? I will buy a pollen chuck if it is cheap enough out of sheer curiousity, but I am not going to drop one hundred bucks on a pack of seeds when the breeder can't even produce a picture of the strain.
Wavels
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You pays your money, you takes your chances...seeds marketed to a black or underground market are inherently different from selecting a cola drink readily available on your favorite supermarkets shelf. And by default, amazingly enough, some consumers will choose RC Cola over Coke or Pepsi consistently, and with full satisfaction.
It is about choice in the marketplace.
I have sometimes been happier with the seeds I purchased from dubious pollen chuckers than from supposedly reputable breeders.
It is simply the roulette wheel of genetics...depending upon how many seeds you have the ability to grow out, you are always taking a chance on achieving what has been marketed as being strain unique and specific and fantastic.
If the chuckers were ever to be restricted from entering the marketplace, I sincerely think that we growers would be worse for it.
Besides, if you purchase enough seeds from a variety of sources, you can become a pollen chucker extraordinaire yourself.
Some of the best buds that I have smoked were the result of me chucking away!
Genetics are fun.
It is about choice in the marketplace.
I have sometimes been happier with the seeds I purchased from dubious pollen chuckers than from supposedly reputable breeders.
It is simply the roulette wheel of genetics...depending upon how many seeds you have the ability to grow out, you are always taking a chance on achieving what has been marketed as being strain unique and specific and fantastic.
If the chuckers were ever to be restricted from entering the marketplace, I sincerely think that we growers would be worse for it.
Besides, if you purchase enough seeds from a variety of sources, you can become a pollen chucker extraordinaire yourself.
Some of the best buds that I have smoked were the result of me chucking away!
Genetics are fun.
GrowUrOwnDank
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see4
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"You're", as in, you are, not "your".Or B: Because your fucking stupid. I dunno. Ima go with B.
Pro tip: When calling someone out for being, "fucking stupid", try to at least use good grammar, it will make you look so much cooler.
st0wandgrow
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lol
I saw that too, but I'm doing too damn much bickering on this site, so I took a pass.
OGEvilgenius
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Free market would mean no government coercion. Yet here you are, endorsing it. Patent laws are necessary for a breeder to own anything. And patent laws benefit only one person and no one else. And ironically can even hurt that person if they inhibit further research or innovation, which typically they do.That's all just so ironic and completely backward. You basically label the hard working breeders who deserve credit as greedy persons, while that's obviously the pocket filling pollen chuckers... and the people wanting to save $20 on seeds by buying from a ripper.
As for your monsanto comment, the opposite is in fact the case. Because the consumers in the cannabis industry support pocket filling pollen chuckers, companies like Monsanto and other greedy corporations will 'win'. Unfortunately writing 10 pages which factual examples and explain the fuck out of on all the cannabis boards isn't going to change anything, and unfortunately, time WILL tell....
When you create something, it's your creation. Ridiculous comment, yet doesn't seem obvious to many. "Ownership" in this context doesn't really apply though. As soon as you sell seeds, you sell genetics, which the buyer is imo free to use as he or she pleases. Except for one thing... and that's recreate the same strain (which is never the same but typically and unnecessarily further inbred kockoff) and sell it under the same name and fill pockets based on the hard work of the original breeder. And when you create a new strain with it's genes, give credit or yes even a share of the profit to the original breeder or a previous breeder who's work you are building on.
This thread is nuts... and reeks of socialism.... communism even... ya'll the 99% right... occupy those greedy breeders
For many years I blamed the self-proclaimed breeders, now I realize most of you don't give a fuck about quality or paying the man or the future of cannabis (ask any non-cannabis plant breeder what the effect of hybrid x hybrid x hybrid x pollen chuck x hermie bag seed elite og kush clone results in) or w/e basic principles and ethics apply here, hence, you deserve nothing more than the pollen chucking pocket fillers. Fools.
@Ace Yonder: when I said better market, I was talking 100% about a better market for growers. That's the irony...
How about if breeders don't want their work to be ripped off, they do a better job breeding and creating what the market wants? If you release an IBL don't be surprised when someone preserves it for themselves. Create a real F1 and it's not so easy to just 'knock it off'. Of course a true F1 also requires an immense amount of work to be done.
*For a breeder to own anything they've released in seed form anyway. Obviously they can hold the parents to an F1... or the lines used to create the F1.
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OGEvilgenius
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100% percent correct. He is ironically supporting the concepts he's trying to use as insults in his extremely unnecessarily hostile post as well.
OGEvilgenius
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My black widow is far too strong for most tokers (seriously about half have anxiety attacks). Straight up. Hell, it's too much for me sometimes. Gonna have to strongly disagree that their work doesn't hold up. As far as prices go, some of them should be cheaper. But MNS is pretty dirt cheap if you go through his auction site or him directly and are medical.
bluntmassa1
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Original breeders unless of course they are assholes like Sensi Seeds charging $200 for 10 regular seeds of Jack Herrer only douche bags charge that kind of money. Don't even get me going on Dr. Greenthumb. LMAO
thenotsoesoteric
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This a-hole I used to know paid $320 for 10 seeds of sensi's jack back in 2003. He got one female! Mainly because he sucked at growing but still it made me laugh.
GOLDBERG71
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That's right. I forgot about the medical discount with doctors note. Plus a volume discount for anyone. And that's an everyday deal offered. If your patient you can't beat the auctions. Unless you want certain strains everyone watches all year long. I don't think you'll find a breeder that treats you better than MNS. My first purchase went attitude because I wanted MNS and serious seeds. They gave me 5 free beans all dinafem. After that I was interested in g13/haze. So I emailed MNS because I wanted some clarity as to the rumors. Shanti emailed back himself a few days later with the answers. PLUS he offered me a free pack to see if I liked it. So I signed up for the auctions because I loved the fact he replied quickly and couldn't have been more helpful. No pack came with less than 20 beans. That's 33% free before discounts. Never mind shipping is INCLUDED in the auction price. Packs say 15 but come with 18 from him directly it's never been less than 20 per straw. Once I sent a little to much money and they threw extra beans of all the strains I ordered. Another time Simone was away when I sent in my order. Since there was a slight delay they threw in a pack of beans I had not tried. Other than choosing to use western union I couldn't dream of a compliant after 3-4 years of business.
GOLDBERG71
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Yeah that's a problem. I haven't bought fem seeds. So the first calculation I make is 50% waste since I don't use males. If I'm crossing Im crossing my selected females. Just because I have zero experience choosing a male. So rather than trail and error this skips that step along with saving the space the males take.
As far as sensi specifically I agree to date jack herer is the only thing I've even searched for the knock offs. The problem I have here is Sannies seems to be noted as being the best and attitude doesn't carry them. So I'd have to decide to trust someone new to send me my purchase. And more importantly likely need to order from another location since I've never ordered one strain at a time. If it wasn't sky high I would have picked up jack herer with my very first order from attitude. But with the price I opted to wait. Plus reports have been hit and miss about sensi for a long time now so it was easy to remove from the order.
Sannie is as straight as they come, feel comfortable making a purchase. I have sent cash in an envelope with no problems at all.
And I agree with your assessment, same point as I have made in this thread. Sannie has worked the hell out of his version of Jack Herer. He has bred the traits he desires (which is also what we desire) and after all that, it isnt Sensi jack anymore. it is better, and half the price.