Two cops got shot in Ferguson last night

[ginwilly]

he didn;t have to be searched, that's only for retail outlets, not home growers.

That was a reasonable informative post without name calling, you OK?

 

[UncleBuck]

That was a reasonable informative post without name calling, you OK?

i was gonna chide you for never being right ever, but that's kinda just implied by now.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't get it. Aren't you committing a crime by your harm on your neighbors olfactory senses?

yes. he explained this to you.

 

[NoDrama]

The way I understood it originally before we got more of the details, was that you were just sitting around one day and ding-dong the doorbell rang. There were the cops when you went to the door. You spoke and they asked if they could search your house because neighbors in the area had complained of odors they had smelled. You said, sure, c'mon in and they commenced to a search of your home for the next few hours.

 

[ginwilly]

The way I understood it originally before we got more of the details, was that you were just sitting around one day and ding-dong the doorbell rang. There were the cops when you went to the door. You spoke and they asked if they could search your house because neighbors in the area had complained of odors they had smelled. You said, sure, c'mon in and they commenced to a search of your home for the next few hours.

Ah.

If that's the way it went down then I would have to stand my ground. I'm not familiar with any of the regulations in legal states so I thought he was going through some of the many hoops and hurdles put in place.

The way he handled it is better than I would have though. His choice will most likely get him left alone going forward, my choice would have unnecessarily put a target on my back.

 

[NoDrama]

yes. he explained this to you.

I doubt it is a crime, I have a doubt it's even remotely enforceable.

 

[UncleBuck]

I doubt it is a crime, I have a doubt it's even remotely enforceable.

you're a silly stupid person.

 

[ttystikk]

two possible outcomes to any interaction with the police: walk away or go to prison.

the likelihood of the latter goes up exponentially with more evidence.

Except that in this case it didn't. Try as I might, I was not within the boundaries on several issues. They choose to overlook plenty and only deal with the nuisance/odor violation.

Again, they could have acted as you suggest- and it was extremely clear they CHOSE not to.

I believe the difference was in how I elected to treat them.

 

[ttystikk]

you're a silly stupid person.

I swear to fucking God I read a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers comic about a device just like this... when I was in high school!

 

[UncleBuck]

I swear to fucking God I read a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers comic about a device just like this... when I was in high school!

i was concerned about it until i read how effing bad your smell needs to be for it to be enforced.

i say fuck neighbors with smell complaints, they got outvoted.

 

[ttystikk]

depends on the cop. the first cop i told that to just kept badgering me with the same bullshit.

"well if you have nothing to hide, why not let me in?"

"we're here to help you"

etc etc etc

they never gave me back my plants though. some help.

second cop and i ended up having a conversation about how he took an oath to defend both federal and state constitutions. ended up letting me go before the card verification even came back.

Local or county cops who talk about how it's 'their job' to enforce federal law make me want to retch on their shoes.

NO IT'S NOT, SHERIFF JUSTIN SMITH. In fact, their job is to protect us FROM the feds!

EDIT: IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION!

 

[ttystikk]

i was concerned about it until i read how effing bad your smell needs to be for it to be enforced.

i say fuck neighbors with smell complaints, they got outvoted.

Ft Collins is not Denver, a fact I'm grateful for every day.

 

[ttystikk]

I don't get it. Aren't you committing a crime by your harm on your neighbors olfactory senses?

You just said you have a "Smell ordinance" and that "many complaints" had been lodged with the local constabulary.
Why do you get to keep the plants if you are clearly in violation of the law because of your stench? Or were you let off with a warning as long as you got the smell under control?

I also don't understand how the police could get a warrant for infractions that they could only know about if they did a search in the first place, they weren't able to establish anything through the door were they? Or did you let them inside first thing right off and they could obviously see that you weren't in compliance from casual observation?


Do you really have respect for Police officers who willingly allow a "laundry list" of laws to be broken and turn their own blind eye? Would you respect them even more if they let you murder someone and didn't arrest you for that either? I think respect in this case is just elation to be off their radar.

But anyway, the whole argument is moot if the reason you did all of his was in order to comply with the licensing you freely ascribed to. In that case you acted honorably.

The laws concerning pot in Colorado are vague, internally conflicting and ever changing- very quickly, especially for us caregivers.

Yes, there were lots of potential infractions. The reason they didn't jump me for them was because I was open, respectful and honest about doing my damndest to be in full compliance- and there was substantial evidence to support that for them to see as well.

This situation had all kinds of gray area written all over it- I felt that in order to give them an excuse not to arrest me, I needed to be as cooperative as possible.

It worked, and I'm grateful for their discretion. Again, I'm not a thug, and I didn't start by mouthing off about my constitutional protections and putting them in an adversarial position. Acting like a good guy gave them reason to believe I AM a good guy, which in turn gave them reason to overlook what could have been hard to overcome in court.

 

[UncleBuck]

The reason they didn't jump me for them was because I was open, respectful and honest

or they both got laid last night.

or they didn't care.

or they knew about the affirmative defense.

coulda been a million reasons. giving up your rights is almost never the right thing to do.

 

[ttystikk]

The way I understood it originally before we got more of the details, was that you were just sitting around one day and ding-dong the doorbell rang. There were the cops when you went to the door. You spoke and they asked if they could search your house because neighbors in the area had complained of odors they had smelled. You said, sure, c'mon in and they commenced to a search of your home for the next few hours.

That is, in fact, basically how it went down.

 

[ttystikk]

or they both got laid last night.

or they didn't care.

or they knew about the affirmative defense.

coulda been a million reasons. giving up your rights is almost never the right thing to do.

I don't want to live in that police state.

I chose to treat them with dignity and their jobs with respect. I chose to act like an ambassador and not an adversary.

You're right that another cop who DIDN'T get laid might have given me more grief, but when it became clear that I was/am just a citizen trying to comply with new and confusing laws instead of a crook using the loopholes to nefarious advantage, they gave me all the benefit of the doubt they possibly could... which is well within both their discretion and their job description.

 

[god1]

The laws concerning pot in Colorado are vague, internally conflicting and ever changing- very quickly, especially for us caregivers.

Yes, there were lots of potential infractions. The reason they didn't jump me for them was because I was open, respectful and honest about doing my damndest to be in full compliance- and there was substantial evidence to support that for them to see as well.

This situation had all kinds of gray area written all over it- I felt that in order to give them an excuse not to arrest me, I needed to be as cooperative as possible.

It worked, and I'm grateful for their discretion. Again, I'm not a thug, and I didn't start by mouthing off about my constitutional protections and putting them in an adversarial position. Acting like a good guy gave them reason to believe I AM a good guy, which in turn gave them reason to overlook what could have been hard to overcome in court.

You're absolutely correct.

The way this really works is there's a local "dudly do right" and his hammer is the federal "dudly". Piss off the local guy and out comes the hammer.

Until the Feds reschedule it's all a crap shoot. In the state of Wash. the local politicians in several municipalities are resisting state legalization compliance; citing federal law.

It's the same in Cali..

There ain't no "promised land" until the Feds address the issue and reschedule; that doesn't appear to be happen'in anytime soon.

The trick is not to be come fodder for the "wod" while waiting for the promised land.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't want to live in that police state.

I chose to treat them with dignity and their jobs with respect. I chose to act like an ambassador and not an adversary.

You're right that another cop who DIDN'T get laid might have given me more grief, but when it became clear that I was/am just a citizen trying to comply with new and confusing laws instead of a crook using the loopholes to nefarious advantage, they gave me all the benefit of the doubt they possibly could... which is well within both their discretion and their job description.

well, at least we can disagree without you having to spout a bunch of hyperbole or assert some dubious half truth as exalted fact. which is why i love debating with lefties.

 

[ttystikk]

You're absolutely correct.

The way this really works is there's a local "dudly do right" and his hammer is the federal "dudly". Piss off the local guy and out comes the hammer.

Until the Feds reschedule it's all a crap shoot. In the state of Wash. the local politicians in several municipalities are resisting state legalization compliance; citing federal law.

It's the same in Cali..

There ain't no "promised land" until the Feds address the issue and reschedule; that doesn't appear to be happen'in anytime soon.

The trick is not to be come fodder for the "wod" while waiting for the promised land.

Damned straight.

As an aside, it was undoubtedly helpful for me to mention my own brother in law's status as a federal government service officer serving in the Department of State, saving lives in Sana'a- and that nothing I do should be construed to be criminal in nature because I would never put his job or his family at risk.

Devious? Maybe. It's still the unfettered truth.

 

[see4]

I give this thread 1 star. It wasn't put together very well and the thick of the conversation was lackluster at best.