Feds: Banks Should Call Police if Customer Withdraws More Than $5k in Cash

[schuylaar]

I agree it's pretty invasive. But the counter argument would be the obvious; if you aren't up to no good, what's the problem? Yes, I know, that's not much of an argument, but I'm playing devils advocate here.

the problem: privacy and you are entitled to this. this is not nazi germany but it seems like the portion of government can't generate enough revenue..thank's righties..you want to hear what scumbags the IRS is?..i did an OIC (i owed money in excess of $10k). my claim was researched and trust me they looked at everything before they approved the file to make certain i wasn't hiding money..pawn 'loan receipts' and consistent energy disconnects proved my claim. the following year, those bastards audited me and now they want a few thousand dollars form a full-time student with no income..the thing is if you don't pay the OIC from a few years ago, gets terminated and you owe everything. nice little scheme they've got

cop shows at your door without a warrant and wants to do a 'check' because someone thought they smelled something..you gonna let them in? why not? same thing..those cops who came to my house tried that little trick..'why not if your not hiding anything'? because this is still america and you are not the 'german ss'..that's why!

 

[Rob Roy]

the problem: privacy and you are entitled to this. this is not nazi germany but it seems like the portion of government can't generate enough revenue..you want to hear what scumbags the IRS is?..i did an OIC (i owed money in excess of $10k). my claim was researched and trust me they looked at everything before they approved the file to make certain i wasn't hiding money..pawn 'loan receipts' and consistent energy disconnects proved my claim. the following year, those bastards audited me and now they want a few thousand dollars form a full-time student with no income..the thing is if you don't pay the OIC from a few years ago, gets terminated and you owe everything. nice little scheme they've got

You are only morally obligated to keep agreements you entered into of your own free will.

All the rest is shit parasites make up to rationalize their theft and thuggery.

 

[schuylaar]

I forgot. What were we talking about again?

the house purchase and the $12k you withdrew.

 

[schuylaar]

You are only morally obligated to keep agreements you entered into of your own free will.

All the rest is shit parasites make up to rationalize their theft and thuggery.

you're right and i know this, but he rest of america is not as close to the law as i have been..people become intimidated.

 

[Rob Roy]

you're right and i know this, but he rest of america is not as close to the law as i have been..people become intimidated.

Thank you for agreeing.

Beyond tha,t there are institutionally created barriers that facilitate blind obedience to "rules". Public schools main purpose is not to educate, it is to indoctrinate and create a pliable herd. This is proven in the business model they use to acquire funding.

If it were funded in a way that people had choice, to participate or not, it could rightfully be termed education. When free choices of whether a person will participate or not are removed under threat of harm for noncompliance, the accurate term to use is forced indoctrination. Logic insists that is correct.

 

[ginwilly]

you're right and i know this, but he rest of america is not as close to the law as i have been..people become intimidated.

Yep, been guilty of this myself, not so much intimidated as it was easier to just comply and go on with my life. I fumed the first time I was stopped at a "DUI checkpoint", how the hell is that legal? But I wasn't drunk, showed my license and insurance and was waved through.

Refusing on the grounds of illegal search and seizure is what I wanted to do, but I would have caused myself misery I'm sure.

 

[Rob Roy]

Yep, been guilty of this myself, not so much intimidated as it was easier to just comply and go on with my life. I fumed the first time I was stopped at a "DUI checkpoint", how the hell is that legal? But I wasn't drunk, showed my license and insurance and was waved through.

Refusing on the grounds of illegal search and seizure is what I wanted to do, but I would have caused myself misery I'm sure.

It is how they ratchet up their control. A notch at a time.

 

[ginwilly]

It is how they ratchet up their control. A notch at a time.

Yep, I was bitching about it at work the next day and people were mostly looking at me like I had gone off the deep end. I got plenty of "well if you had nothing to hide" and "we don't want drunks on the road". That's not the point people.

Those folks were used to it now and saw nothing wrong.

 

[whitebb2727]

You know I tried to get a money pak here a while back and couldn't. I was told it was due to over seas fraud. You can get them again. I'm starting to think that they quit selling them for a while because "they didn't want to give the option to people to load several of them up.

Rob, due really what do you want. We have to force taxes. You say you want a system where people to volunteer to pay for schools and roads. That won't work. People are selfish. Some won't pay. Then others will quit paying because they feel others aren't paying.

I feel you. I want smaller government and for the states to take more control.

What is the answer? I don't know but the system you purpose will not work.

 

[schuylaar]

Yep, been guilty of this myself, not so much intimidated as it was easier to just comply and go on with my life. I fumed the first time I was stopped at a "DUI checkpoint", how the hell is that legal? But I wasn't drunk, showed my license and insurance and was waved through.

Refusing on the grounds of illegal search and seizure is what I wanted to do, but I would have caused myself misery I'm sure.

true that, but you are on the road which is public domain therefore, they have the 'right' however wrong it is.

i'm talking about coming to your home.

 

[schuylaar]

You know I tried to get a money pak here a while back and couldn't. I was told it was due to over seas fraud. You can get them again. I'm starting to think that they quit selling them for a while because "they didn't want to give the option to people to load several of them up.

Rob, due really what do you want. We have to force taxes. You say you want a system where people to volunteer to pay for schools and roads. That won't work. People are selfish. Some won't pay. Then others will quit paying because they feel others aren't paying.

I feel you. I want smaller government and for the states to take more control.

What is the answer? I don't know but the system you purpose will not work.

nordic model.

 

[schuylaar]

Yep, I was bitching about it at work the next day and people were mostly looking at me like I had gone off the deep end. I got plenty of "well if you had nothing to hide" and "we don't want drunks on the road". That's not the point people.

Those folks were used to it now and saw nothing wrong.

that's because they have been indoctrinated and encouraged to report.

peasant reporting peasant.

perhaps they aren't well read? or political like we are..

 

[Rob Roy]

Yep, I was bitching about it at work the next day and people were mostly looking at me like I had gone off the deep end. I got plenty of "well if you had nothing to hide" and "we don't want drunks on the road". That's not the point people.

Those folks were used to it now and saw nothing wrong.

No, we don't want drunks on the road. Replacing them with thugs is not the solution though.

The metamorphosis to a Police State is quickening and the presumption of liberty has been replaced with the presumption of permission must be granted.

Even when pot is made "legal' it will come with a permission based set of plant limits, and other arbitrary permission based bull shit. People will take the bait and think that trading a right of self ownership for a revokable privilege somehow gained them something.

 

[Rob Roy]

You know I tried to get a money pak here a while back and couldn't. I was told it was due to over seas fraud. You can get them again. I'm starting to think that they quit selling them for a while because "they didn't want to give the option to people to load several of them up.

Rob, due really what do you want. We have to force taxes. You say you want a system where people to volunteer to pay for schools and roads. That won't work. People are selfish. Some won't pay. Then others will quit paying because they feel others aren't paying.

I feel you. I want smaller government and for the states to take more control.

What is the answer? I don't know but the system you purpose will not work.

Forcing people as part of a system is never right. Defensive force is though. Some people confuse the two.

What I want is for you to be free to make your own choices, but not the choices of others for them. Isn't that what most pot users say they want?

I don't want a smaller coercive government. I want systemic coercion to go the way of burning witches and throwing virgins in volcanoes.

Whether a federal government controls you or a state government controls you...how is that advancing freedom?

 

[ginwilly]

Rob, due really what do you want. We have to force taxes. You say you want a system where people to volunteer to pay for schools and roads. That won't work. People are selfish. Some won't pay. Then others will quit paying because they feel others aren't paying.

I feel you. I want smaller government and for the states to take more control.

What is the answer? I don't know but the system you purpose will not work.

They don't need to be income tax though. The morality of the more you produce the more you are punished is lost on me. A consumption tax would be voluntary. How are some states able to survive without income tax while others need to continually raise them? I remember years ago before I graduated college I was doing labor and was making just under the next bracket. If I worked any overtime, it put me over the threshold and I was "punished" with higher taxes (for that check). Sure I got more back at the end of the year when it all factored out, but I'm not a fan of "here, hold this money for me for a year interest free".

 

[ginwilly]

that's because they have been indoctrinated and encouraged to report.

peasant reporting peasant.

perhaps they aren't well read? or political like we are..

Very intelligent people, everyone of them science degree holders. I think the ones that didn't know me well assumed I must be a drunk if I was against check points.

Do they have those in Florida? I never saw them until I moved to GA and that was 9th state I lived in.

 

[schuylaar]

Very intelligent people, everyone of them science degree holders. I think the ones that didn't know me well assumed I must be a drunk if I was against check points.

Do they have those in Florida? I never saw them until I moved to GA and that was 9th state I lived in.

i live in a democratic county..so, are you kidding? there would be a group who would scream bloody murder and start throwing around the WW2 shit..calling the cops nazi's..my husband told me people call him that all the time on a traffic stop.

 

[ginwilly]

No, we don't want drunks on the road. Replacing them with thugs is not the solution though.

The metamorphosis to a Police State is quickening and the presumption of liberty has been replaced with the presumption of permission must be granted.

Even when pot is made "legal' it will come with a permission based set of plant limits, and other arbitrary permission based bull shit. People will take the bait and think that trading a right of self ownership for a revokable privilege somehow gained them something.

I believe pot will be legal in our lifetime but many employees will still test for it and base hiring off of those tests. There is such a stigma against pot yet half the country is on some sort of RX, nothing wrong with that though.

I think the FDA and Pharmas have done an excellent job of convincing people of what's acceptable through government ownership.

 

[ginwilly]

i live in a democratic county..so, are you kidding?

I did too, in fact, it's the county that sent the rep that claimed Guam was going to tip over, I'm so proud.

 

[schuylaar]

I did too, in fact, it's the county that sent the rep that claimed Guam was going to tip over, I'm so proud.

well the squeeky wheel gets the grease here.

if you see a checkpoint, you have the right to turn around.