V series "Tetras"

Doer

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I always feel dumber, and sometimes angrier, the day after drinking alcohol, even if it's like a single beer.

I have a similar but not-exact reaction to soda as well, so I stick to water, tea, and cranberry juice, with the exception of a beer or shot of whiskey or 7UP here and there.



:hug:
Alcohol turned on me just like cocaine. But, I have to say it was a worse addiction than cocaine for me. At least it was harder to get to the end of it...for me.
 

churchhaze

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Every resistor is work and watts payed, right? The point of PWM is to reduce the work thru resistive circuits. The point of PWM is efficiency.

Or maybe I missed something?
So about 100 micro watts dissipated by that resistor for the first few minutes, then 0W.

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I'm going to assume the dimming input is already buffered and thus left out the op amp.
 
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alesh

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Every resistor is work and watts payed, right? The point of PWM is to reduce the work thru resistive circuits. The point of PWM is efficiency.

Or maybe I missed something?
Technically your're right, there are losses on every resistor. But these are negligible in the perspective of the whole driver. I guess that you wouldn't be able to measure any difference between these 2 types of dimming. I'd say that points of PWM are that it's easy to produce and resistant to interference.
 

churchhaze

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I think the main point of pwm in this application is to not need digital to analog converters for such a crude application. The arduino doesn't even have digital to analog converters, just pwm out. The only other alternative using a micro controller would be to talk directly in some sort of digital serial protocol like SPI or I2C, and we live in a microcontroller based world, so the driver is designed knowing we have pwm out, or can easily write pwm in software via bitbanging.
 

Doer

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So about 100 micro watts dissipated by that resistor for the first few minutes, then 0W.

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I'm going to assume the dimming input is already buffered and thus left out the op amp.
No, I like the way that works. It just opened my mind back to capacitors as a timers and all the other functions, including big storage these days. Capacitor banks are replacing batteries in some cases. Ever since PWM was excluded for this exercise, I keep thinking about those acid pencil bomb timers from WW2, for some reason. (not reset-able of course, but very reliable and fairly accurate for time.)

I can see the circuit you propose, with some modification as a 10 minute timer also. That allows the dual function I've been thinking about.

I have 16 lights, so they can come on a few at a time, and brighten up slowly on your circuit.
When one pair, lets say, finishes its 10 minute brightening, it latches to the next pair to begin.


2 lights
10 min

2 more
10 min

2 more
10 min

2 more
10 min

etc, it takes 80 minutes to light it all up.

Of course, the time can be extend. Just need to detect the 10v level to light the next pair at 0v and rising.
 
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Devildenis69

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alesh: yes, your duty cycle define the percentage of current ...
you see the image I posted on the last page ? Votage throught a RC filter ...
seems to me that current will act the kinda the same way, trying to follow the voltage ...
so it's always about the medium value

SDS: I remember that you have some good electronic equipement ... a good old oscilloscope ... couldn't you end this debate on PWM ?
your last scheme seems good to me, as a PWM signal generator ...
 

nestor

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I understand you're trying to do an analog soft on-set, SDS. I'm just curious as to the merits and feasibility of using an MCU to control a servo that turns the potentiometer?

I'm thinking that say at lights on the potentiometer is all the way down, the servo then turns the pot, say a quarter turn. It then gradually turns the pot all the way up. Then, at lights out, it resets turning it all the way down and then the timer cuts power?
 

Doer

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I understand you're trying to do an analog soft on-set, SDS. I'm just curious as to the merits and feasibility of using an MCU to control a servo that turns the potentiometer?

I'm thinking that say at lights on the potentiometer is all the way down, the servo then turns the pot, say a quarter turn. It then gradually turns the pot all the way up. Then, at lights out, it resets turning it all the way down and then the timer cuts power?
The design challenge rules out a controller. He already did a controller in Arduino.

He posted the thread title for that a few pages back. So for this we are not thinking quite so "steam punk," as actuators and knobs. Want to stay solid state. That would be cool, however. :)
 
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stardustsailor

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^^^ and the new -updated rear panel,of the Vseries Tetras LED COB grow light , is about to be finished .
From left to right :
1) The 3x relay -delay modules ,for "Soft On-Set " of irradiation to the plants.
2) A custom -made EMI filter ,with a varistor over-voltage protection ,added.
3) An ordinary IEC AC case socket ,just beneath the EMI filter.
4) The Meanwell PS-05-12 constant voltage PSU ,for powering the Fan and the "relay-delay" module board .

Cheers.
:peace:
 

stardustsailor

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Did you trace and etch yourself? Looks real nice....:joint:
Yeap.Used DipTrace software for tracing ,but manually done the tracing ..
(*For some reason ,I've never used auto-tracing feature of the software..It's not fun ! )
Printed the circuit (reversed ) with a laser printer ,iron it (cloths-iron ) on a blank pcb
and then etch it with Sodium Persulfate .
(Although Muriatic Acid + Hydrogen Peroxide is much faster as an etching solution ,but more dangerous ) .

Making my own custom pcbs ,is actually a very easy job.
Drilling them is somewhat tricky ...Especially with drills like the 0.6 mm one ...
Many broken drills ,up till now ! :P

Cheers.
:peace:
 
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Abiqua

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Yeap.Used DipTrace software for tracing ,but manually done the tracing ..
(*For some reason ,I've never used auto-tracing feature of the software..It's not fun ! )
Printed the circuit (reversed ) with a laser printer ,iron it (cloths-iron ) on a blanck pcb
\and then etch it with Sodium Persulfate .
(Although Muriatic Acid + Hydrogen Peroxide is much faster as an etching solution ,but more dangerous ) .

Making my own custom pcbs ,is actually a very easy job.
Drilling them is somewhat tricky ...Especially with drills like the 0.6 mm one ...
Many broken drills ,up till now ! :P

Cheers.
:peace:
That's great....I actually got into Diptrace today, but haven't messed around at all.....you sent me the bit for the logic shifter pcb in the zip file for the 5110 Screen....

I watched all of those videos you previously posted and really would like to delve into the etching for more DIY.....You must think about doing an instructional post on this topic....It would be great seeing and reading about the process from your perspective....

I am messing around tonight with getting my screen back up and running....I locally sourced a HEF4050
and am just shifting the logic? from the breadboard to the screen....... I have heard so many names thrown around, i am not sure of proper nomenclature...shifter register, logic shift, level shift, logic level , level register.....I am thinking nearly all in the same?:)

Trying to solder a header onto a Bh1750 lux meter as well and then fingers crossed for a screen readout Tonight....

Sorry for the slight thread trample, just really appreciate the time you took to point out those directions :peace:
 

stardustsailor

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Maybe I 'll post a thread about PCB -making ..
Meanwhile ,myshelf had started my first baby-steps into pcb-making ,by watching this vid:

^^^ Probably it's going to be "all-greek-to-you" ,but nevertheless you'll get some idea of the first -and most crucial- steps of pcb -making ...The laser printer toner transfer ..
(from glossy paper to blank pcb )



Cheers.
:peace:
 

stardustsailor

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^^^ The rear panel is completed ,everything wired-up and tested (the relay delay modules).

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^^ And the drivers,the fan and the grounding were connected to the rear panel.
The fixture 's "updating " is complete .

How it works :

This fixture has 4X Vero29 ,which can be driven up to 1530 mA each one of them .
Each COB is driven by it's own driver (Meanwell HLP-60H-42) .
The drivers are being dimmed via a rotary switch ,with resistors in series ,at each position .
The rotary switch itself is a "Double pole ,Six positions " .So a pair of drivers is connected in each separate "line"
(Pole) of the switch ,with total resistance being >50K per pole.

When the fixture is powered COB#1 is switched ON .
But not at it's preset power output ,but at a lower level.
(because at it's dimming circuit another driver -being switched off ,for the moment - is parallel connected ,so the-preselected - resistance is actually lower ,
as ,the still switched off driver has about 20K resistance across the Dim circuit pins/wires
).

After a preset(adjustable ) time delay ,COB#2 switches ON ,same as #1 ,
at lower output than it's preset one .

Again ,after a preset time delay ,COB#3 switches ON.
Now ,one of the previous drivers ,outputs it's preset current ,
so now two COBs operate at their preset power level ,
while one remains still "underdriven".

After the last time delay the fourth driver switches ON and
now all four COBs operate at their preset current output.

I ''ll try to upload a vid ,later on ,showing the "Soft-On-Set" feature in action ...

Cheers.
:peace:
 

AquariusPanta

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View attachment 3395284
^^^ The rear panel is completed ,everything wired-up and tested (the relay delay modules).

View attachment 3395285
^^ And the drivers,the fan and the grounding were connected to the rear panel.
The fixture 's "updating " is complete .

How it works :

This fixture has 4X Vero29 ,which can be driven up to 1530 mA each one of them .
Each COB is driven by it's own driver (Meanwell HLP-60H-42) .
The drivers are being dimmed via a rotary switch ,with resistors in series ,at each position .
The rotary switch itself is a "Double pole ,Six positions " .So a pair of drivers is connected in each separate "line"
(Pole) of the switch ,with total resistance being >50K per pole.

When the fixture is powered COB#1 is switched ON .
But not at it's preset power output ,but at a lower level.
(because at it's dimming circuit another driver -being switched off ,for the moment - is parallel connected ,so the-preselected - resistance is actually lower ,
as ,the still switched off driver has about 20K resistance across the Dim circuit pins/wires
).

After a preset(adjustable ) time delay ,COB#2 switches ON ,same as #1 ,
at lower output than it's preset one .

Again ,after a preset time delay ,COB#3 switches ON.
Now ,one of the previous drivers ,outputs it's preset current ,
so now two COBs operate at their preset power level ,
while one remains still "underdriven".

After the last time delay the fourth driver switches ON and
now all four COBs operate at their preset current output.

I ''ll try to upload a vid ,later on ,showing the "Soft-On-Set" feature in action ...

Cheers.
:peace:
Have you ever tried making a bomb?
 

stardustsailor

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Have you ever tried making a bomb?
Don't you see?
All the time,bro..
Each time more powerful and more " intelligent" ...
Thing is ...
Unlikely with the common explosives others use ,which only kill & destroy ,bringing misery and havoc ...
My preferance was ,is and always will be the mighty photons.
Light,brother.
The only blessed & sacred "explosive" ,by all the universal powers and entities.
The only " explosive material " ,the light quanta ,
that gives birth & creates,bringing happiness and peace .

Bombs ?
All the time ,bro ...
Light -bombs ...
V for Victory .

Cheers.
:peace:
 
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