Arkansas state senator Bart Hester gets owned trying to defend 'religious freedom' bill

[Red1966]

Show me the law that gives you the right to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation or identity

Show me the law that says you can't. There no law that says you can breathe, either.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Show me the law that says you can't. There no law that says you can breathe, either.

The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution

Do you believe LGBT people shouldn't apply? Whether they technically do or don't is irrelevant to this question, I'm simply asking about your own personal opinion

 

[Red1966]

The equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution

Sorry, you failed. The 14th doesn't mention LGBT; The equal protection clause is a restriction on government, not citizens.

Do you believe LGBT people shouldn't apply?

What I believe doesn't matter, it's what the law says, or doesn't say.

Whether they technically do or don't is irrelevant to this question,

Your claim was the law disallowed it. Now you are trying to say the law is irrelevant to a question of law?

I'm simply asking about your own personal opinion

My opinion is that no one should be forced to participate in an activity that is against their beliefs. How would you feel if the government forced you to do something against your belief, say like attending a KKK meeting?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sorry, you failed. The 14th doesn't mention LGBT; The equal protection clause is a restriction on government, not citizens.

What I believe doesn't matter, it's what the law says, or doesn't say.

Your claim was the law disallowed it. Now you are trying to say the law is irrelevant to a question of law?

My opinion is that no one should be forced to participate in an activity that is against their beliefs. How would you feel if the government forced you to do something against your belief, say like attending a KKK meeting?

Do you believe LGBT people should or should not apply to the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment?

Should they or shouldn't they? Easy question..

 

[Red1966]

Here's a law the specifically allows people to refuse to participate in activities that are against their religion, signed into law by President Bill Clinton: Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, Pub. L. No. 103-141, 107 Stat. 1488. Barack Obama voted for a similar law while in the Illinois Senate.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Here's a law the specifically allows people to refuse to participate in activities that are against their religion, signed into law by President Bill Clinton: Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, Pub. L. No. 103-141, 107 Stat. 1488. Barack Obama voted for a similar law while in the Illinois Senate.

Does that law give you the right to discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation or identity?

 

[Red1966]

Do you believe LGBT people should or should not apply to the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment?

Should they or shouldn't they? Easy question..

Wrong question. The 14th amendment is a restriction on government, not a compulsion upon citizens. A more germane question would be "Should LGBTs have the right to force others to participate in their activities?" You failed to support your contention that they have a legal right to force others to participate in their activities and are now trying to move the goalpost to it being about beliefs that you are attempting to assign to me. If you want to argue about something I said, fine. Buy don't argue with me about something I didn't say.

 

[Red1966]

Does that law give you the right to discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation or identity?

It gives you the right to abstain from participating in an activity against your beliefs. Since this seems to be about nothing other that forcing caterers to attend and cater gay weddings, it would seem you are in favor of forcing people to not only tolerate the gay agenda, but to actively support it. Do you want to force them to bring wedding gifts as well?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Wrong question. The 14th amendment is a restriction on government, not a compulsion upon citizens. A more germane question would be "Should LGBTs have the right to force others to participate in their activities?" You failed to support your contention that they have a legal right to force others to participate in their activities and are now trying to move the goalpost to it being about beliefs that you are attempting to assign to me. If you want to argue about something I said, fine. Buy don't argue with me about something I didn't say.

Not at all, I've essentially already admitted you are technically right there is legally no recognition for LGBT people under the law as it stands today. I was asking a separate question; Do you believe the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment should apply to LGBT people? Yes or no?

Here is the equal protection clause in its entirety;

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So, should every American citizen enjoy "equal protection of the laws" or not?

Come on, man, that was a softball.. this ones easy..

 

[Red1966]

Not at all, I've essentially already admitted you are technically right there is legally no recognition for LGBT people under the law as it stands today. I was asking a separate question; Do you believe the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment should apply to LGBT people? Yes or no?

Here is the equal protection clause in its entirety;

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So, should every American citizen enjoy "equal protection of the laws" or not?

Come on, man, that was a softball.. this ones easy..

You seem to put the "rights" of LGBTs above the rights of others. So when you say "every American citizen", you exclude non-LGBTs. No one has the right to force others to attend or participate in their wedding. This is exactly what you are demanding, but are trying to pretend it's an equal rights question. It's not. The way you frame the question is dishonest.

 

[desert dude]

Not at all, I've essentially already admitted you are technically right there is legally no recognition for LGBT people under the law as it stands today. I was asking a separate question; Do you believe the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment should apply to LGBT people? Yes or no?

Here is the equal protection clause in its entirety;

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So, should every American citizen enjoy "equal protection of the laws" or not?

Come on, man, that was a softball.. this ones easy..

Answer your own question. Should the first amendment apply to all citizens? Should the federal or state government have the power to compel religious beliefs and actions of citizens?

From a practical point of view, do you think our civil society will be enhanced by repression of religious beliefs of citizens? Please frame your answer in the wider context of religiously motivated wars currently raging in the world.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Answer your own question. Should the first amendment apply to all citizens? Should the federal or state government have the power to compel religious beliefs and actions of citizens?

From a practical point of view, do you think our civil society will be enhanced by repression of religious beliefs of citizens? Please frame your answer in the wider context of religiously motivated wars currently raging in the world.

You don't have the right to discriminate, excluding LGBT people from the sale of goods/services based on sexual orientation or identity is discrimination

What would you say if someone said "I don't want to serve Christians because it's against my religious belief"? Would you support that position?

 

[desert dude]

You don't have the right to discriminate, excluding LGBT people from the sale of goods/services based on sexual orientation or identity is discrimination

What would you say if someone said "I don't want to serve Christians because it's against my religious belief"? Would you support that position?

I am astonished that progressives are doing their best to establish a caliphate in the US. I am astonished that progressive want to destroy our constitutional republic.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I am astonished that progressives are doing their best to establish a caliphate in the US. I am astonished that progressive want to destroy our constitutional republic.

Answer the question. If I as a business owner denied Christians the sale of goods/services because it's against my religious belief, would you support that position or not?

 

[UncleBuck]

I wasn't quoting anyone. You can tell this because of the lack of quotations. Sorry you are too stupid to understand that. BTW mud fences are not real, only stupid people make reference to them, but some people are so fucking stupid that they don't know they are stupid, you clearly fall into this category.

Did you ever figure out that Christianity was a religion and not a language? How long did you wait for police to show up when you put your ATM pin# in backwards? I could go on and on, but others see the point I am making, stupid people (that would be you) do not.

Did you know that swallowing a pill can affect your body in such a way as to make it very difficult to get pregnant? Wow, the mouth must be attached to the uterus for that to happen. Using your logic anyway.

Happy Easter, Dumb bitch.

does 110 = 610?

does 10 - 8.70 = 2.30?

what is the best way to plagiarize?

whay have you been a member of stormfront for over 5 years now?

 

[UncleBuck]

the gay agenda

ya mean, equal rights?

 

[UncleBuck]

Should the federal or state government have the power to compel religious beliefs and actions of citizens?

you don't make any fucking sense. none at all. you are dumber than fuck, and a bible thumping white supremacist to boot.

what equal protection of the law do religious people not enjoy?

 

[UncleBuck]

I am astonished that progressives are doing their best to establish a caliphate in the US. I am astonished that progressive want to destroy our constitutional republic.

save the white supremacist rhetoric for your klan chapter.

 

[desert dude]

Answer the question. If I as a business owner denied Christians the sale of goods/services because it's against my religious belief, would you support that position or not?

Yes. I fully support our constitutional form of government. You are free to associate with whomever (whoever?) you want.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yes. I fully support our constitutional form of government.

do you support the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, or does that violate your deep seated beliefs in white supremacy?