Should Corporations Fund Schooling?

[King Arthur]

So I just saw a clip of Howard Schultz from Starbucks saying how they are going to give every employee a free ride for education. I believe it is for a specific online institute that offers various bachelors degrees but it got me thinking. With school prices shooting up over %1500 in the last 30 years it would seem very beneficial for companies to sponsor universities that teach what they want you to learn.

I guess it could be considered an amazing thing for anyone taking hold of this opportunity but I think that it is scary that we get paid so little that now our companies have to support our education. Furthering the monopoly on what enters our brain.

 

[WeedFreak78]

How about taxing corporations at the 50%+ rate they used to be, and should be, and then using the tax revenue to fund our education system? The problem with corporate paid schooling is you are only going to get the training they want you to get, do you think a company, who's whole point of existence is increasing profits, is going to allow you to take non-realated courses that they have to pay for? And, they'll probably do it like tuition reimbursement programs, where you have to pay it out of pocket, graduate, THEN get reimbursed.

 

[Rob Roy]

Schools should be funded by those that use them. Nobody should be compelled to use or pay for a particular school.

Nobody should be forced not to open a particular school.

Competition will then drive excellence among service providers.

People that enjoy a monopoly held in place by force often fear competition.

 

[UncleBuck]

Schools should be funded by those that use them.

excellent point!

for example, i have no kids right now, but i still 'use' public schools because every day when i go out into the world, i enjoy the benefit of a literate populace to help me if i need. you have stated that you also enjoy the fact that the population around you is educated and literate.

perhaps some kind of mechanism could be tied to one's living quarters, and all those who enjoy living in a certain area can share in the cost needed to provide this benefit. you would only have to pay it if you agreed and consented to it first, you would always be free to choose some other area with no property taxes.

i don't know, just a silly idea.

 

[NoDrama]

How much is a degree from Starbuck university worth? What kind of job can you get? Wal-mart stocker? Retail sales? Ditch digging?

The only people I know who went to Arizona state are racists and founders of Stormfront. Not sure i would want to keep that company.

Everything that you can be taught in a college is available for free online.

Its that $25,000 bribe to get people to sign your diploma that counts.

 

[Rob Roy]

excellent point!

for example, i have no kids right now, but i still 'use' public schools because every day when i go out into the world, i enjoy the benefit of a literate populace to help me if i need. you have stated that you also enjoy the fact that the population around you is educated and literate.

perhaps some kind of mechanism could be tied to one's living quarters, and all those who enjoy living in a certain area can share in the cost needed to provide this benefit. you would only have to pay it if you agreed and consented to it first, you would always be free to choose some other area with no property taxes.

i don't know, just a silly idea.

A little off topic, but how long were you in diapers? C'mon be honest, you were like 11 or so weren't you?

You don't have to answer, I'll understand.


You have no idea what consent means, none.

 

[UncleBuck]

You have no idea what consent means, none.

aren't you the guy who says children can consent to being paid for sex by adults, aka pedophilia?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Schools should be funded by those that use them.

How is little Suzy and Timmy going to pay for K-12, Rob?

 

[Padawanbater2]

How much is a degree from Starbuck university worth? What kind of job can you get? Wal-mart stocker? Retail sales? Ditch digging?

The only people I know who went to Arizona state are racists and founders of Stormfront. Not sure i would want to keep that company.

Everything that you can be taught in a college is available for free online.

Its that $25,000 bribe to get people to sign your diploma that counts.

My integrated science & biology teacher in high school graduated from ASU after spending a tour in the Air Force, one of the most influential persons in my life growing up, definitely one of the best teachers I've ever had. I'm not sure what your point was about ASU

 

[Padawanbater2]

"Should corporations fund schooling"?

I think it depends, if you're asking should they be legally obligated to fund employees education, I'd say no. If you're asking should they fund employees education because they think it's the right thing to do and it will benefit them, their community and their country at large by later potential contributions to gains in GDP through new businesses or efficient practices, then I'd say yes. I don't think they should be legally mandated, but I think they should be aware of the benefits something like an educated workforce could potentially provide. Also, I think the business model should come into account. For example, you're running a paper mill or something, I don't think funding how the quadratic equation works or how Newtons second law of thermodynamics operates would be beneficial to milling paper.. So I don't think the owner should legally be forced to fund something like that.

So I guess to conclude, if the education the employer funds doesn't directly benefit him, he shouldn't be legally obligated to fund it. If it can be assessed that said education would in fact benefit the employer, I think they should then have the option to fund the employees education, which they would likely base on that employees loyalty, attendance, etc.. (up to the employer).

I think, yeah, they probably should fund their employees education (just to have a smarter population), but they shouldn't be punished if they decide not to

 

[Rob Roy]

aren't you the guy who says children can consent to being paid for sex by adults, aka pedophilia?

Can you explain how the nature of an act can change whether or not the participants involved consented or not?

No, you can't.

You are implying if you don't like something, that others couldn't have consented to it based on your not liking it. That is an irrational and emotional response, but does nothing to advance an argument disproving anything. You do that alot.




Insert obligatory Wendys incident example describing a participant consenting to a heinous act ------------ here.

I win again!!!

 

[Rob Roy]

How is little Suzy and Timmy going to pay for K-12, Rob?

The same way they pay for food and shelter or a multitude of other services they use. It's likely their caretakers (parents / guardian) would pay. In a world where there are options to chose from consumers benefit by being able to chose freely.

If you remove the potential multitude of service providers in a given area and replace it by a one size fits all, held in place by force type system, consumers usually do NOT benefit. However the people involved with the one size fits all school system benefit, that's why they cling to it. Can you refute that?


You nor anybody else that champions government schools have ever answered why if that coercion based system is so good, do they have to fund it thru threats of confiscation? How about answering that ?

 

[Grandpapy]

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You nor anybody else that champions government schools have never answered why if that coercion based system is so good, do they have to fund it thru threats of confiscation? How about answering that ?

Because those being threatened missed out on kindergarden where sharing your crayons was good for the well being of the classroom. IMO.

 

[overgrowem]

Corps. are funding ed.now and i see it expanding. They are funding chairs in colleges and U's all over the country. Of course they select the profs. that occupy them. I mean what dif. can it make if UR climate prof. was selected by Koch Bros..

 

[Rob Roy]

Because those being threatened missed out on kindergarden where sharing your crayons was good for the well being of the classroom. IMO.

Forcing someone to "share" is a cover word for theft.

If you don't believe me, I'll be over at 7:00 p.m. tonight. I think we should "share" all your food, drink all your booze and smoke all your dope. By the way, what do you drive? My rides getting a little crusty. Maybe we can "share" your vehicle?


Sharing is good. Taking is not.

 

[Grandpapy]

Corps. are funding ed.now and i see it expanding. They are funding chairs in colleges and U's all over the country. Of course they select the profs. that occupy them. I mean what dif. can it make if UR climate prof. was selected by Koch Bros..

Chevron, Monsanto have been doing it for years.

Forcing someone to "share" is a cover word for theft.

.....snip.

My point.

 

[UncleBuck]

How is little Suzy and Timmy going to pay for K-12, Rob?

newt gingrich has a solution for that.

 

[UncleBuck]

My integrated science & biology teacher in high school graduated from ASU after spending a tour in the Air Force, one of the most influential persons in my life growing up, definitely one of the best teachers I've ever had. I'm not sure what your point was about ASU

i went to ASU, so he's trying to take a stab at me.

but ASU has some really good programs, like their business school, school of engineering, and a few others.\

others are a joke, like their communications degree.

 

[UncleBuck]

Can you explain how the nature of an act can change whether or not the participants involved consented or not?

No, you can't.

You are implying if you don't like something, that others couldn't have consented to it based on your not liking it. That is an irrational and emotional response, but does nothing to advance an argument disproving anything. You do that alot.




Insert obligatory Wendys incident example describing a participant consenting to a heinous act ------------ here.

I win again!!!

 

[Captain Ron]

Hey y'all's!