Joedank
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looks fine to me ... just cover the soil with a sheet of plastic wrap or panda film and only take it off for waterings...
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Scotch089
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Yes...
It is the definition of what you don't want. You would hate the tech if you ran it as a "judgement batch" and unless you knew the potential or believed you would never look at leds again. I've been there -_-
No name drivers, no name emitters, a china rebranded by 5 different companies fast cash money sucking panel.
Probably shitty thin heatsinks with faulty fans and overpowered leds that will burn up at the current they're driven within 2 years. Shitty spectrum that is based upon the original myth that leds were efficient because they focused their light on the "important" wavelengths. Which to tell you, fucking stunts growth and bleaches if too much blue is used. No catalyst middle spec. No balance.
Heard shit on their customer support. If your panel DOES go out within the warranty they just send you replacement parts with no directions.
I glass pane between the emitters is a cosmetic fuck up, takes away from efficiency (how much photons are actually going anywhere) no clue how many but every bit counts.
I've been here with all of it... bleaching, leds going out, fans dying, fans' fins breaking themselves off, not grounded with a short that shocked me every time.., I've torn apart multiple tiers of panels and the quality is the only thing that matters. From progrow to apache.
Sorry. Rant over. Best option is diy if you are at ALL someone who works in your garage and tinkes or fixes shit around your house. There is no reason you can't do it. Next to that brands like Apache Tech, Area 51, Optic Vero, even fuckin bml are soooo much more worth your time and money. First three I would seriously look into. Optic Vero is on top of the age and area 51 is about to release a similar panel with similar options for emitters but probably driven much more efficiently (less power, but more photons per w of power)
Diy fo life. Thank you dudes over there. You rock
Darth Vapour
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^^^ Oh cmon lets face it mars does the job ??? its pretty affordable for new grower or someone that might not have lots of money ,, with advancements in LED tech i wouldn't be surprised COB is outdated in another years time yeah think ???
bottom line look on the tube appears many Mars LED lights are getting it done shit i remember talking to DJ short and him mentioning he used a single desk light to grow weed his first time
And also to boot if you look in the LED thread cheap LED's 400 - 600 appears mars is built pretty good ??? if realstyles took a hammer to a MARS check out his vid
just saying
bottom line look on the tube appears many Mars LED lights are getting it done shit i remember talking to DJ short and him mentioning he used a single desk light to grow weed his first time
And also to boot if you look in the LED thread cheap LED's 400 - 600 appears mars is built pretty good ??? if realstyles took a hammer to a MARS check out his vid
just saying
Scotch089
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They'll grow something. But not what anyone is looking for.
Cobs will be ooutdated by progress in the tech. But they also release upgrades like the cxa-> cxbs, new bins, Vero v2s etc.
My point was those big names (cree bridgelux and osram) are the ones yoy need to stick with. And 95% of companies lie and advertise they use these emitters, when even if they really do - it's only of one color so they are able to say they use it without being a COMPLETE line of bullshit. The companies I mentioned are the only that are able to be proven or come out and lay all the info on the table because they have nothing to hide. They are proud of the work they've put in to making a REAL led panel.
DIY is just that, you don't have to run them as efficiently as possible (more cost) you can run them slightly more efficient than hps, still save on power used, not worry about life span, and still be more than happy with the results. A couple emitters and the right drivers and you're off. It's up to the user to decide how in depth they want to make their light. What spectrum how much power etc.
Cobs will be ooutdated by progress in the tech. But they also release upgrades like the cxa-> cxbs, new bins, Vero v2s etc.
My point was those big names (cree bridgelux and osram) are the ones yoy need to stick with. And 95% of companies lie and advertise they use these emitters, when even if they really do - it's only of one color so they are able to say they use it without being a COMPLETE line of bullshit. The companies I mentioned are the only that are able to be proven or come out and lay all the info on the table because they have nothing to hide. They are proud of the work they've put in to making a REAL led panel.
DIY is just that, you don't have to run them as efficiently as possible (more cost) you can run them slightly more efficient than hps, still save on power used, not worry about life span, and still be more than happy with the results. A couple emitters and the right drivers and you're off. It's up to the user to decide how in depth they want to make their light. What spectrum how much power etc.
Darth Vapour
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And what most of it being made where Indonesia, china , Japan , Taiwan, they must be junk also ??? So what specifically lol and they grow something that we are not looking for ??? dude Weed is weed strains are strains that is a hypocritical post you just made TBO LED is just another religious following seriously now
Scotch089
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I guess I'm not getting what you're saying.... most of our shit is imported so regardless you're going to be putting something from somewhere in your own panel. But at least you know the quality control put into it and know the chance of failure significantly more than relying someone worried about the margin of profit. And you can make it exactly how you want to fit your space?
Dono what the problem is... no hostility on this end
Dono what the problem is... no hostility on this end
Darth Vapour
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Here is some food for thought There are several colors used in LED's that are not made in the US. It's like a company "claiming" they use Cree diodes, which in some cases they are. Fact is, Cree only makes about 2 of the colors used in say a 7 band array. So the first question to a company using Cree should be, ok so what do you use for the other 6 colors outside of white?
Fact is, If you're being told that a light is using all US diodes and everything else, you are being lied to.
Fact is, If you're being told that a light is using all US diodes and everything else, you are being lied to.
Scotch089
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I'm not sure any of the companies I've referenced are stating they are using US emitters. I don't think any one is that gullible.
But the companies that are using red AND white emitters from one company (cree or nichia) can come out and prove the part number (bin) and some users have even went far enough to magnify the chips and verify them.
It's the companies using red blue orange green etc. That yoy need to worry about. Sorry psu lol. I come from monos. But chances are one company does not Make all of the colors. And, it holds to the old myth that those are the only emitters you need to make the "secret sauce spectrum" which is sales hype.
Sorry man. Just sayin
But the companies that are using red AND white emitters from one company (cree or nichia) can come out and prove the part number (bin) and some users have even went far enough to magnify the chips and verify them.
It's the companies using red blue orange green etc. That yoy need to worry about. Sorry psu lol. I come from monos. But chances are one company does not Make all of the colors. And, it holds to the old myth that those are the only emitters you need to make the "secret sauce spectrum" which is sales hype.
Sorry man. Just sayin
Scotch089
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-cxa3070-cree-cob-build-frankensteined-with-a-marshydro.870234/#post-11576275
Mars mod thread ^
Person more knowledgeable than me Just made the point I'm getting at...
"Should be around 7100 lumen's each, but better yet....1.4 amps x 37.3 volts = 52 watts
Cree = 104 ish watts @42% efficiency equals roughly 43-44 PAR watts...
Mars = is kind of a guess...lets say 30% @170? watts = 51 PAR watts
-about the same amount of PAR watts, but it takes 58% more energy from the Mars to equal your Cree's!!!!!!!
Remember this about lumens, they are a photometric measurement, so a measure of how light is seen by the eye, not necessarily all light....
Heavy blues can skew a Lumen count since blues will have more lumens than red spectrums...So you could have two different lamps, drawing different wattages, but output the same lumens....One is skewed towards blue and using less power, one is skewed towards red and using more power....not a good indicator at all...."
Mars mod thread ^
Person more knowledgeable than me Just made the point I'm getting at...
"Should be around 7100 lumen's each, but better yet....1.4 amps x 37.3 volts = 52 watts
Cree = 104 ish watts @42% efficiency equals roughly 43-44 PAR watts...
Mars = is kind of a guess...lets say 30% @170? watts = 51 PAR watts
-about the same amount of PAR watts, but it takes 58% more energy from the Mars to equal your Cree's!!!!!!!
Remember this about lumens, they are a photometric measurement, so a measure of how light is seen by the eye, not necessarily all light....
Heavy blues can skew a Lumen count since blues will have more lumens than red spectrums...So you could have two different lamps, drawing different wattages, but output the same lumens....One is skewed towards blue and using less power, one is skewed towards red and using more power....not a good indicator at all...."
greenghost420
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yes i can make one just been to lazy lol guess its time! thanks for the breakdown, guess ill be frankensteining this mars panel.
Darth Vapour
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You should take your led talk to the led section really lol Its irrelevant in this section bottom line mars grows plants prices are decent and thats all that matters like comparing CRI ratings for a cree cob 5 k @ 80cri to a CMH or plasma that are in the the mid 90's when really defining what the best light source closest to the SUN being were really are mimic ing the sun the best we can
Scotch089
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Lol someone asked dude. I Gave Time for someone to reply. Didn't. So I stepped in to save someone the trouble. MY BAD. I'm well aware where I'm at. LED talk is done. But just for the record. I think 3000 90cri cxbs (my next purchase when top bin becomes available) is probably a bit closer to the sun than what mars is running.
Take care, shame you're mad
Take care, shame you're mad
Darth Vapour
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Bro not mad at all truthfully i chuckle when LED are boasted and truthfully there good for tat closet grower with out a doubt cheers have a nice day
greenghost420
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like you said, someone asked, not ur fault. im sorry for the derailment!
hyroot
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I laugh when people say leds are only for the closet grower. If led is good enough to grow one big plant. Its good enough to grow a 100 plants. Just add more panels. Same with hid. One hps wont cover a 100 plants. .. any light that appears blurple is not close to the sun. Close to the sun is like being outside. Ie white light. Mars will grow plants decently. But higher end panels will do a better job. And at half the watts. If you are too broke to go with high end led. Then go with CMH or hps until you can afford the quality lighting. Also don't get conned by lower end companies that charge 5 -10 times more than the quality lights. Like black dog, advanced led, lumigrow, worst of all lush
led talk does belong in this thread. We're about the environment, longevity and sustainability and no toxic anything. Led is far more environmentally friendly than hps. Mo mercury bulbs to toss. No ballasts to toss , not using excess electricity.
led talk does belong in this thread. We're about the environment, longevity and sustainability and no toxic anything. Led is far more environmentally friendly than hps. Mo mercury bulbs to toss. No ballasts to toss , not using excess electricity.
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Darth Vapour
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Care to show us the one big plant 3 pounder ??? 1 pounder possibly ???? i consider any plant yielding over 1 pound dry pretty big ... Have you grown one that size with a single LED unit ??? i can show you lots of 1 plant 1 - 3 pound 1 light HPS grow its all over the net ..
you mention LED is good to grow 100 plants just add more LED units at what cost ??? here 80 plant grow using 1 k then around 4 - 5 th week adding another 1 k HPS 76 plants total 2 k 7 pounds dry that is litterally 30 pounds wet 7 pounds 300 bucks for 2 magnetic ballasts ( 150.00 bucks 1 k bulb included )
Power consumption 100 bucks to veg 5 weeks lets round it up 2 months Flowering 8 weeks 160.00
so 260.00 bucks for 7 pounds of weed
Truthfully speaking how much would it cost for a person to accomplish that with LED's total cost ?? i mean i want to build a room LED and yield 7 pounds how much ???
i mean really for instance i pull 2.5 pounds dry per 1k with my eyes closed that is 10 pounds wet buds in 5x5 area where i run 1 k
Being everyone is saying its so much more effcient wouldn't 3 times more efficient be the key number how many LED grows you see puling 3 GPW this should be not uncommon really if you factor in everything
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hyroot
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no one has grown 1 plant indoors that pulls 3 pounds. The large indoor recorded is just over a pound for one plant
hps is not 3 times efficient. Its about 20%-30% efficient. Meaning a 1000w produces 300w of light and 700w of heat. If.hps.was 3 times more efficient it would not produce any heat. I average 1-1¼ pounds for 460w over a 4x5
you might get 3 pounds over those 2 lights. Maybe 1 but not one.plant. Of course you are not doing organics either. If I used chems. I could easily triple my yield.
1 of 4 5 foot plants under one light. Should pull about 6 zips when done.
you can't compare grows unless everything is exactly the same.
same strains, same veg time, same lighting, same environment, same watering schedule.same amount of water used. Same temps, same humidity, etc... One factor different can make a world of difference.
hps is not 3 times efficient. Its about 20%-30% efficient. Meaning a 1000w produces 300w of light and 700w of heat. If.hps.was 3 times more efficient it would not produce any heat. I average 1-1¼ pounds for 460w over a 4x5
you might get 3 pounds over those 2 lights. Maybe 1 but not one.plant. Of course you are not doing organics either. If I used chems. I could easily triple my yield.
1 of 4 5 foot plants under one light. Should pull about 6 zips when done.
you can't compare grows unless everything is exactly the same.
same strains, same veg time, same lighting, same environment, same watering schedule.same amount of water used. Same temps, same humidity, etc... One factor different can make a world of difference.
Darth Vapour
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Hmm Here is a couple of 3 pound plants
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Darth Vapour
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owe here another one 40 oz from one 600 watt 1.86 GPW
