Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Joedank

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the cowards never started, the weak died on the way, only the strong arrived they were the pioneers..... the air is pulled from a hole in the ceiling that draws from the upstairs living space with a converted bathroom fan then boosted by a 4 inch inline near the bed for sound dampening as the greenhouse is attached to a living space... here are a few pics of the basics i will take better ones at morning time.View attachment 1859414View attachment 1859415View attachment 1859416View attachment 1859417View attachment 1859418View attachment 1859422View attachment 1859424View attachment 1859425View attachment 1859426View attachment 1859427View attachment 1859428View attachment 1859429View attachment 1859430View attachment 1859431View attachment 1859432View attachment 1859433View attachment 1859434View attachment 1859435View attachment 1859436:clap:.
 

AllDayToker

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I'm looking for a little easier maintenance for cleaning my tea bucket.

Say I'm making just a regular microbe tea with worm castings and molasses. Would I get the same benefits if I put the castings in a nylon stocking, or some sort of teabag deal, as I would letting it free flow in the bucket?
 

Midwest Weedist

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I'm looking for a little easier maintenance for cleaning my tea bucket.

Say I'm making just a regular microbe tea with worm castings and molasses. Would I get the same benefits if I put the castings in a nylon stocking, or some sort of teabag deal, as I would letting it free flow in the bucket?
You won't have the slushy material that will end up in your planters as a pseudo top dress, but yes you'd see the same results. Take what's in the nylon sock after a brew cycle and feed it back to your compost pile for the best results. But you definitely don't have to include your tea materials in your watering/feeding.
 

AllDayToker

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You won't have the slushy material that will end up in your planters as a pseudo top dress, but yes you'd see the same results. Take what's in the nylon sock after a brew cycle and feed it back to your compost pile for the best results. But you definitely don't have to include your tea materials in your watering/feeding.
Alright cool thanks.

Yeah I typically add the slurry at the bottom to my big bucket of compost/soil anyways, so the plants will get it eventually haha.

Trying to do more frequent microbe teas and cleanup was a hassle bending over the tub. I guess it's warming up now so I could take them outside and use the hose but typically like to keep this work inside.
 

Midwest Weedist

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Alright cool thanks.

Yeah I typically add the slurry at the bottom to my big bucket of compost/soil anyways, so the plants will get it eventually haha.

Trying to do more frequent microbe teas and cleanup was a hassle bending over the tub. I guess it's warming up now so I could take them outside and use the hose but typically like to keep this work inside.
I'm a 3rd floor apartment dweller, I feel you on the clean up lol. I'm trying to figure out a way to make disposable containers for when I make my teas. I'm tired of throwing away panty hose. I've toyed with the organic non-bleached coffee filters but they're too restrictive, break under pressure, and don't hold enough. But they break down fast enough so I might be on the right path.
 

AllDayToker

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I'm a 3rd floor apartment dweller, I feel you on the clean up lol. I'm trying to figure out a way to make disposable containers for when I make my teas. I'm tired of throwing away panty hose. I've toyed with the organic non-bleached coffee filters but they're too restrictive, break under pressure, and don't hold enough. But they break down fast enough so I might be on the right path.
Do you think filter pouches that you would you on an aquarium filter would work?

They are like a sleeve and this plastic frame like thing goes inside, you think would fill it with active carbon, the plastic frame as a clip on top to snap it shut so no carbon goes into the aquarium, and then you slide it into the filter.
 

Midwest Weedist

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Do you think filter pouches that you would you on an aquarium filter would work?

They are like a sleeve and this plastic frame like thing goes inside, you think would fill it with active carbon, the plastic frame as a clip on top to snap it shut so no carbon goes into the aquarium, and then you slide it into the filter.
If you can mcgyver yourself up a filter with that stuff, then yes it'll work. The hardest part is getting your engineering skills aligned fine enough to make sure your DIY filter won't leak, break and actually function as it should. I'm a diyer at heart but I suck it up and buy carbon filters because, if you want it to look neat and clean you'll spend as much money on supplies doing so as you would on ordering a filter every 6 months. But I'm also obsessive compulsive about aesthetics, so take that with a massive grain of salt.
 

AllDayToker

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If you can mcgyver yourself up a filter with that stuff, then yes it'll work. The hardest part is getting your engineering skills aligned fine enough to make sure your DIY filter won't leak, break and actually function as it should. I'm a diyer at heart but I suck it up and buy carbon filters because, if you want it to look neat and clean you'll spend as much money on supplies doing so as you would on ordering a filter every 6 months. But I'm also obsessive compulsive about aesthetics, so take that with a massive grain of salt.
Oh no I'm not tallking about using it in a filter itself the white catcher. You just said you were looking disposable containers for your teas. You can use those white filters to fill instead of nylon stockings and you can wash up and such and will hold up better then a coffee filter.
 

Midwest Weedist

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Oh no I'm not tallking about using it in a filter. You just said you were looking disposable containers for your teas. You can use those white filters to fill instead of nylon stockings and you can wash up and such and will hold up better then a coffee filter.
Oh jeez, Hahaha that went right over my head. I should really wait until my brain comprehends what I've read before I start typing.
That's a good idea though! I guess what I'm looking for though is something I can drop right into a worm bin or on a compost pile.
 

AllDayToker

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Oh jeez, Hahaha that went right over my head. I should really wait until my brain comprehends what I've read before I start typing.
That's a good idea though! I guess what I'm looking for though is something I can drop right into a worm bin or on a compost pile.
Haha, we all do it every once in a while. I get what you're saying now. Something that will break down over time.
 

st0wandgrow

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I'm a 3rd floor apartment dweller, I feel you on the clean up lol. I'm trying to figure out a way to make disposable containers for when I make my teas. I'm tired of throwing away panty hose. I've toyed with the organic non-bleached coffee filters but they're too restrictive, break under pressure, and don't hold enough. But they break down fast enough so I might be on the right path.
Paint straining bags from Home Depot work well
 

Forte

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Does anyone know how to use quinoa seeds? I put quinoa seeds in water, stirred it, and the water didn't become sour and full of saponins.
 

keepitcoastal

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Paint strainer bags or occasionally I will use multiple dollar store laundry bags inside each other . Those are your best bets. I stopped using socks and panty hose along time ago
 

Pattahabi

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I grow both ways :)

But hurt lol no no i do not use LED at all as for your question i do both organic / and chem we order our soils by the tandem truck 48 YARDS PER SEASON let alone 20,000 + in skids of amendments kinda out of your league i would bet ???
I honeslty think you wouldn't know the difference between a abused plant if it slapped you in the face lol. in all honesty i know i know you think you da bomb grower don't yeah ??? oh here some more unhealthy plants for you lmao i think your out of your league there hunny
So yellow dying leaves is a good thing on a plant? Guess people who buy absurd amounts of soil have a different idea of healthy plants. And you don't use LED's, but you're trolling this thread on the subject of LED's? Posting up a bunch of copy/paste bs. You'd think a master grower like yourself would have something better to do with her time.

And let me guess, you don't reuse those 48 YARDS PER SEASON?

Actually Joe i have 0 runoff i do a 4 day cycles 34 Gallon mediums
and the iponic is the bomb can be 6000 miles away adjust anything via phone

Another rationale for buying organic is that it is supposedly better for the natural environment. But the low yields of organic agriculture in real-world settings – typically 20-50% below yields from conventional agriculture – impose various stresses on farmland and increase water consumption substantially. According to a recent British meta-analysis, ammonia emissions, nitrogen leaching, and nitrous-oxide emissions per unit of output were higher in organic systems than in conventional agriculture, as were land use and the potential for eutrophication – adverse ecosystem responses to the addition of fertilizers and wastes – and acidification.

An anomaly of how “organic” is defined is that the designation does not actually focus on the food’s quality, composition, or safety. Rather, it comprises a set of acceptable practices and procedures that a farmer intends to use. For example, chemical pesticide or pollen from genetically engineered plants wafting from an adjacent field onto an organic crop does not affect the harvest’s status. EU rules are clear that food may be labeled as organic as long as “the ingredients containing [genetically modified organisms] entered the products unintentionally” and amount to less than 0.9% of their content.

Finally, many who are seduced by the romance of organic farming ignore its human consequences. American farmer Blake Hurst offers this reminder: “Weeds continue to grow, even in polycultures with holistic farming methods, and, without pesticides, hand weeding is the only way to protect a crop.” The backbreaking drudgery of hand weeding often falls to women and children.

Of course, organic products should be available for people who feel that they must have and can afford them. But the simple truth is that buying non-organic is far more cost-effective, more humane, and more environmentally responsible.


Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/co...about-organic-agriculture#0xkVf8fksJTS7ifC.99
We are all well aware of what a crappy job the USDA is doing. Now go troll somewhere else.

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Darth Vapour

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So yellow dying leaves is a good thing on a plant? Guess people who buy absurd amounts of soil have a different idea of healthy plants. And you don't use LED's, but you're trolling this thread on the subject of LED's? Posting up a bunch of copy/paste bs. You'd think a master grower like yourself would have something better to do with her time.

And let me guess, you don't reuse those 48 YARDS PER SEASON?


We are all well aware of what a crappy job the USDA is doing. Now go troll somewhere else.

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Well some most of that soil is sold as in plant :) what is any left over plants get re used only after going through the oven :) and your points is ??
kinda late here but will school you on the bacon fat tommorow so please come back :)
And what she should be doing ?? what she does best on her knees and tonguing the star fish
 

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Darth Vapour

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And this is where you miss the boat. Bad idea. Bacon grease in your compost pile = animals in your compost pile.

It ain't rocket science...


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Awe fuck it i school you now there pathetic ,, owe i mean Pattahab lol or how ever you say it haha
Fats feed fungi...only fungi build true humus, true humus is like 40% fat, digested over and over.
Bacon contains thiamin, vitamin B zinc and selenium, which play a crucial role in plants
Thiamine diphosphate (vitamin B(1)) plays a fundamental role as an enzymatic cofactor in universal metabolic pathways including glycolysis, the pentose phosphate pathway, and the tricarboxylic acid cycle. In addition, thiamine diphosphate has recently been shown to have functions other than as a cofactor in response to abiotic and biotic stress in plants. Recently, several steps of the plant thiamine biosynthetic pathway have been characterized, and a mechanism of feedback regulation of thiamine biosynthesis via riboswitch has been unraveled.
Selenium is also a important trace element that not many are aware of
So don't kid your self

http://antranik.org/the-catabolism-o...ns-for-energy/

Plants and humans are function pretty dam close so lets read on

The next favorite foods to make energy after sugars, are fats. Fats are stored in our fat cells as triglycerides, just like how glucose is stored as glycogen in our liver and muscles. Triglycerides are made of three saturated fatty acids. Remember a fatty acid is just a long chain of carbons with hydrogens attached. Fatty acids are always an even number of carbon atoms long. They can be 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 24 carbons and so on. You’ll never find a FA that’s an odd number of carbons. What happens is that this fatty acid is broken up two carbons at a time which turns it into the two-carbon acetyl sugar. This is called a beta oxidation reaction. Then they are broken down in the krebs cycle as if they were sugars.

We know a fatty acid is not a small molecule such as glucose which is 6 carbon atoms long. It’s more like, say, 24 carbons long so that would form a whopping 12 acetyl sugars and since it was a triglyceride to begin with, there would be three fatty acids. Imagine that! The catabolism of a triglyceride will create 36 acetyl sugars at once and it will flood the system and they can’t go through the krebs cycle fast enough so some of these acetyl sugars become keto acids. These tend to be formed when the body is breaking down fats faster than normal. Each gram of fat provides twice as much energy as carbs or protein. Anytime there’s an increased rate of fat break down, there’s more keto acids (aka ketone bodies). Note that since the fats are turned into acetyl sugars that enter the krebs cycle, that means they HAVE to have oxygen. Sugars are the only foods that can be broken apart without the need for oxygen.

Catabolism of fat –> Formation of ketoacids (“ketone bodies”)

Marathon runners say running the last 6 miles is harder than the first 20. The expression commonly used is said to hit “the wall.” It feels like you can’t move. There’s a number of theories but one of them is that you’ve used up all your sugars and now you’ve switched to fats because you HAVE to use oxygen to generate ATP. At least before with sugars you were at least making some energy.

The Catabolism of Proteins

Proteins are the least favorite food to use as energy but if the body needs to, it will. Proteins are made up of amino acids so when they are digested, we are left with hundreds or thousands of amino acids.

The picture to your right reminds you of what an amino acid looks like. It begins with a carbon atom, attached to one side is an amino group, on the other side is an acid group (COOH), third a hydrogen. Where they differ is what’s attached in place of “R.”

In order to use amino acids as energy, you need to convert them to sugars. Sugars are made of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Fats are mostly carbon and hydrogens. Amino acids have carbon atoms, hydrogen, oxygen and NITROGEN atoms.

If we are going to turn amino acids into sugars, we have to remove this nitrogen to turn it into sugar. The process of removing that amino group is called deamination (taking away the amino group, NH2). When you remove that NH2, you actually form NH3 (Ammonia). Then in your liver, this ammonia is turned into Urea which is basically a carbon and oxygen with two amino groups. Your liver releases this urea into the blood stream and is the major organic waste carried in our blood stream. When they clinically measure the amount of urea in your blood, that is commonly known as the BUN level. BUN stands for Blood Urea Nitrogen (Urea contains Nitrogen). This blood is then filtered by our kidneys and appears in our urine as the major organic waste of our urine.

So we’ve explained how amino groups are removed so it doesn’t have nitrogen so chemically we are left with carbons, hydrogens and oxygens like a sugar. What is this new amino-acid-minus-the-amine-group called? Now that it doesn’t have the amino group, it’s still an acid and it’s called a keto acid (aka “ketone bodies”). The ketoacid can be reversibly formed into acetyl sugar.

Interesting plants make ATP ????
but do plants make KETO acids ????

The accurate estimation of the a-keto acids present
in plant tissues is imnportant because these acids
occupy a central position in the metabolism of the
plant and thus may be vital to our understanding
of the physiological conditions which govern the
storage of many fruits and vegetables.
 

Darth Vapour

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  • Fat is a biomolecule, they form structural components of cells, apart from serving as energy reservoirs.
  • Plants contain fat molecules, these molecules make up the cellular membrane and are components of organelles like Chloroplast orMitochondrion.
  • Plants can also store fat, though their primary storage is in the form of carbohydrates. For example, many plants store Starch in Amyloplast orChloroplast.
  • Stored lipids is usually found in seed tissues, Embryo or Endosperm. (plant lipids)
  • However, plants don't have Adipose tissue i.e connective tissue that contains fat cells which is responsible for obesity.
 
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