Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[bearkat42]

Ignoring that fighting wars has nothing to do with my question, I take it your opinion is that employees have no responsibility for their own work ethic and that its entirely the managers responsibility.

Lose games and the coach gets fired. Is that better?

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[BDOGKush]

Lose games and the coach gets fired. Is that better?

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And when players cannot show up on time for practice and refuse to dedicate themselves to being a better player and teammate they get cut and have a hard time finding future employment. Ever heard of Ryan Leaf of Jamarcus Russell?

Work Ethic:

Punctuality - arriving promptly and otherwise being there when needed.

Reliability - performing one's job, rain or shine, even when tempted to be elsewhere.

Diligence - tenaciously sticking to it and avoiding the lures of wasteful socializing or daydreaming.

Agreeableness - getting along with fellow employees or customers regardless of personal feelings.

Abiding by the rules - whether about personal appearances or performing tasks properly, all rules are to be obeyed.

Ambition - a willingness to improve performance, acquire new skills, and try to be a better employee as a matter of principle even if not immediately rewarded.

 

[bearkat42]

And when players cannot show up on time for practice and refuse to dedicate themselves to being a better player and teammate they get cut and have a hard time finding future employment. Ever heard of Ryan Leaf of Jamarcus Russell?

Work Ethic:

Punctuality - arriving promptly and otherwise being there when needed.

Reliability - performing one's job, rain or shine, even when tempted to be elsewhere.

Diligence - tenaciously sticking to it and avoiding the lures of wasteful socializing or daydreaming.

Agreeableness - getting along with fellow employees or customers regardless of personal feelings.

Abiding by the rules - whether about personal appearances or performing tasks properly, all rules are to be obeyed.

Ambition - a willingness to improve performance, acquire new skills, and try to be a better employee as a matter of principle even if not immediately rewarded.

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with paying someone a living wage?

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[MuyLocoNC]

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with paying someone a living wage?

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Maybe it's because 90% of minimum wage workers fail on 100% of those standards. I don't know what your idea of a successful business model entails. Mine doesn't include financially rewarding employees that alienate and drive off my customers.

Of course there are exceptions. However, those rare individuals quickly advance through the ranks and secure raises and/or management positions. If you perform like $7.25 is twice what you deserve, you might want to put down the placard and reevaluate your mindset. Or live in squalor, either is fine by me.

 

[BDOGKush]

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with paying someone a living wage?

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I don't have an issue with paying people a decent wage but there seems to be an entitlement issue with some people in this thread.

At some point you have to stop blaming society for how your life turned out. Is it really an employers fault when someone doesn't get an education beyond high school and doesn't try to pursue a career beyond Walmart or McDonalds? Is it an employers fault when you work for $15 an hour and then decide to have children you can't support?Should you get a raise when your family grows? A "living wage" is subjective and varies case by case.

I'm bringing up these points because Padawan responded to me with quotes from some people on Reddit who blame society for their failures. One guy who can't hold down a job because he argues with management and another who wallows in self-pity and lacks the ambition to work towards bettering his situation.

 

[BDOGKush]

I'm in a very similar situation as the second guy that Padawan quotes, even pursued the same career field as him and work in a field that has nothing to do with my two degrees. I also have a large student loan debt that seemed to be insurmountable.

I attained a job with a large company through a temp agency working in the mail room, stuffing envelopes on the night crew, ten hours a day making $10 an hour. I worked hard, volunteered myself for work outside my job description and applied myself to moving up in this company by learning skills that apply to this field. By doing so I made myself more valuable to the company than a guy who just stuffs envelopes. In six years I've attained two promotions and doubled my hourly pay.

Should I have been rewarded with a higher pay if I was content with stuffing envelopes and made no effort to make myself more valuable to the company?

 

[schuylaar]

Now, tell me how I should make my decision on which of the six that applied for the job, should be hired,...Talk about real stuff, not maybe if`s....

i'll bite and play your game..will you play mine?

give me the scenarios..

 

[Uncle Ben]

Maybe. At least a person has a possibility of escaping slavery.

Speaking of slavery, why do so many people refuse to resist the "light slavery" they live in today, carried out via coercion based political institutions? Is it because they accept what is normal is also rational and never really question the status quo?

FOX questions the status quo all the time. One of the most educational (and fun) programs is The Five. Weekdays, 5:00 p.m. EST

 

[UncleBuck]

How does it affect me? I want a $7 hamburger basket with fries, not a $15 basket. Am I supposed to be financially miserable because you think The Man should pay someone more than what they're worth?

the great self made uncle benis and his large glovebox in his toyota tundra can't afford a $15 meal?

LOfuckingL.

by the way, tiny little benis, in places where the min wage is 3 times higher than ours your burger basket only costs 15% more you dumb shit.

will you post some pictures of that carpeted shit shack of yours?

 

[UncleBuck]

Maybe it's because 90% of minimum wage workers fail on 100% of those standards. I don't know what your idea of a successful business model entails. Mine doesn't include financially rewarding employees that alienate and drive off my customers.

but you live off your wife and hang curtains for an allowance.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't have an issue with paying people a decent wage but there seems to be an entitlement issue with some people in this thread.

how dare people who work 40 hours a week doing tough jobs feel entitled to not stand in a welfare line at the end of the week.

what is wrong with these people?

 

[OddBall1st]

i'll bite and play your game..will you play mine?

give me the scenarios..

This whole talk is about equal living wages, so how can there be any scenario`s ?

Everyone`s even, The work description don`t matter, it dont matter if you`re white, black, Gay, fat, show up on time, work well, legal, illegal, Foreign or Domestic, heck, even your name shouldn`t matter, you got a work number.....I can`t profile or discriminate or a city might burn and buck wont shut up.


What should I do, only one opening cuz the last guy died.

 

[Fogdog]

So do employees have any responsibility for their own work ethic?

Beating the workers only gains less cooperation not more. This isn't rocket science.

Don't managers have hiring authority? Doesn't management have responsibility to find ways to inspire or otherwise motivate the workforce? Are they helpless in the face of a shiftless shuffling no good workforce? Are the only things a manager does is count noses and order toilet paper when it gets low? When worker productivity drops across an industry doesn't this become an opportunity for a resourceful manager?

Fuck that Forbes writer. Blame the worker, give higher bonuses to the CEO!

 

[Fogdog]

And when players cannot show up on time for practice and refuse to dedicate themselves to being a better player and teammate they get cut and have a hard time finding future employment. Ever heard of Ryan Leaf of Jamarcus Russell?

Work Ethic:

Punctuality - arriving promptly and otherwise being there when needed.

Reliability - performing one's job, rain or shine, even when tempted to be elsewhere.

Diligence - tenaciously sticking to it and avoiding the lures of wasteful socializing or daydreaming.

Agreeableness - getting along with fellow employees or customers regardless of personal feelings.

Abiding by the rules - whether about personal appearances or performing tasks properly, all rules are to be obeyed.

Ambition - a willingness to improve performance, acquire new skills, and try to be a better employee as a matter of principle even if not immediately rewarded.

Got it. Also, do unto others as you would have done unto you. Also, a boy scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

Well, now that's all I needed to know to perform my job at work. Umm well there are few technical details...

Are you saying that the workers must find their own motivation and leadership has nothing to do with it?

 

[sheskunk]

I don't do the American flag. Pretty sure there's some slavery in my background though.

If there is slavery in your background than you should be grateful that someone chose life over death. Otherwise you wouldn't be here. Not that that makes slavery okay. I am 100% against slavery. But sometimes fighting is better than just rolling over and dying.

 

[bearkat42]

If there is slavery in your background than you should be grateful that someone chose life over death. Otherwise you wouldn't be here. Not that that makes slavery okay. I am 100% against slavery. But sometimes fighting is better than just rolling over and dying.

In theory that sounds great. Over 100 million died in the slave trade. How many got away?

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[UncleBuck]

If there is slavery in your background than you should be grateful.

 

[Padawanbater2]

This whole talk is about equal living wages

Wrong.

This thread is about workers earning what's rightfully theirs by discussing the shortcomings of capitalism, and income inequality

You seem very confused..

Everyone`s even, The work description don`t matter, it dont matter if you`re white, black, Gay, fat, show up on time, work well, legal, illegal, Foreign or Domestic, heck, even your name shouldn`t matter, you got a work number.....I can`t profile or discriminate or a city might burn and buck wont shut up.

Where were you earlier in the thread when I said 25 x's more than the average worker is perfectly acceptable CEO income, 325 x's at the expense of the poor/middle class is not. Why do you believe it's OK for the CEO and top executives to steal the workers surplus labor and give it to themselves and their shareholders? Or give it to politicians by way of campaign contributions for business and tax subsidies and changes to legislation in their favor?

Where do you think the money comes from to increase CEO income by that much over the course of 40 years when in previous years it was relatively stable? You said "technology and globalization" to answer that question before without providing any evidence to support it, so, I'm still waiting on that..

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the facts and objectively interpret the data, and you and a few other people are so personally invested in the narrative you've created absent those facts, that nothing will deter you in thinking otherwise. Take for example the issue of anthropogenic climate change; The overwhelming majority of the world's scientists accept it as fact, more clear than the connection of tobacco and lung cancer, and what do you and the rest of the opponents of a living wage do? Deny the science... NASA is one of the leading scientific organizations studying the causes and effects of climate change, so what do the republicans and people you support in government do as soon as they take control? Defund the programs and try to stifle progress through financial attrition...

Disgraceful.

 

[sheskunk]

In theory that sounds great. Over 100 million died in the slave trade. How many got away?

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So if you had to choose between your daughter starving to death or being sold into slavery you would sit and watch her die?

 

[Uncle Ben]

Wrong.

This thread is about workers earning what's rightfully theirs by discussing the shortcomings of capitalism, and income inequality

Wrong. This thread is a perfect example of what it takes to be an official RIU retard based on false premises by one such OP.

FAIL