DIY E-Nail

[schonwandabs]

So I've been on a long mission trying to figure out my build. I wired everything perfectly and exactly how you put it. The best I was able to do with it was get to 90 degrees. I thought the pid had an issue so I called Auber and they said it was my coil but it works perfect on the analogue dnail I purchased the coil with from D-Nail. I end up sending the the pid to auber to be checked out and it's working fine.

A few days after that I take my Borobook Quartz banger and coil to my buddy's place to use on his D-Nail and it doesn't work. The D-Nail displays "PFA" which means it doesn't sense a heater. I immediately call D-Nail's support line and they tell me that D-Nail's pinout on the XLR is different than in this tutorial. They're XLR pinout is 1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Tc + 4. Tc- 5. Ground

I still haven't been able to switch the pinout since my friend has my soldering iron to test this myself. Has anyone experienced any trouble using this setup with D-Nail coils? I saw mention of someone using one.

It has something to do with the wired of the connector for the coil line you do.

Pay Attention to the information from D-nail very much please,
1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Tc + 4. Tc- 5. Ground
Important, you need to make the connector wired also in this way(1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Tc + 4. Tc- 5. Ground), especially the 3 and 4, if it is reverse, then the temperature will not go up.

So try to check the connector wired ways

 

[schonwandabs]

I went ahead and changed the pinout in the unit as mention above. Since there was a short in my coil I took off the Kevlar cover and found that the wires were melted and fused together, it was all bad. I cut the wires and put my own from the spare that I had from building the enail. The only downside to that is, the gauging of the wires are like twice as thick as the norm. No biggie tho I got it back together and it's working now!

Now on to my next issue, tuning the pid. I set it to 560 and it just blows by it and I just turn it off once it gets to 800 since it doesn't seem like it will stop. I tried pressing and holding the auto tune button but that does nothing really and it quickly gets to 7-800 and the coil begins to get red from the bottom. I tried to search online but I haven't been able to find much and I can't figure it out from the pid manual.

According to this, I can tell that your PID is working in the default set. when you turn it on and set to 560, it can reach that but it will go on heating up because of the default set is 800 around. It has nothing to do with the SSR or coil or others, just has something to do with your PID data. that is what I can tell you exactly
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Schonwan Tech

 

[MR Zulu]

that's not always true with the pinout , not every company uses the same configuration. The company I have been working with, uses this configuration shown in this picture

It has something to do with the wired of the connector for the coil line you do.

Pay Attention to the information from D-nail very much please,
1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Tc + 4. Tc- 5. Ground
Important, you need to make the connector wired also in this way(1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Tc + 4. Tc- 5. Ground), especially the 3 and 4, if it is reverse, then the temperature will not go up.

So try to check the connector wired ways

 

[MR Zulu]

OR maybe my new source is mistaken and that's why sometimes I get a coil that just won't heat maybe?

 

[schonwandabs]

that's not always true with the pinout , not every company uses the same configuration. The company I have been working with, uses this configuration shown in this picture

yes, I think when wired, need to do same wired ways in the connector as the coil wire do, otherwise, they will get no heat or break
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[schonwandabs]

OR maybe my new source is mistaken and that's why sometimes I get a coil that just won't heat maybe?

Yea, you need to check your coil and wired in correct way

 

[MR Zulu]

yes, I think when wired, need to do same wired ways in the connector as the coil wire do, otherwise, they will get no heat or break
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this looks exactly like my coil from this new company in Shenzhen, what would the wire colors be so I can cross check what they say or did in this plug?

 

[schonwandabs]

this looks exactly like my coil from this new company in Shenzhen, what would the wire colors be so I can cross check what they say or did in this plug?

You can call me Jan instead of new company, We have been in this area for long. Just did not join these forums though.
110V-100W-K style. I am sure yours are not from us, and better you can ask your supplier to do 120V with that female nail.

BTW, you buy the whole coil wire with the connector on it when you assemble the enail by yourself?

 

[MR Zulu]

You can call me Jan instead of new company, We have been in this area for long. Just did not join these forums though.
110V-100W-K style. I am sure yours are not from us, and better you can ask your supplier to do 120V with that female nail.

BTW, you buy the whole coil wire with the connector on it when you assemble the enail by yourself?

I wasn't referring to you as " new company" i apologize if i seemed like I was referring to you. I was talking about this new company that I recently found and buying coils from. But my name is Brett its nice to formally meet you Jan, but yes I bought the coil with plug already attached. And yes it is a 110V-100W-K style coil. I noticed that the numbers on my coil match your picture exactly. Is it possible that I bought one of yours just sold through a third party?

 

[MR Zulu]

You can call me Jan instead of new company, We have been in this area for long. Just did not join these forums though.
110V-100W-K style. I am sure yours are not from us, and better you can ask your supplier to do 120V with that female nail.

BTW, you buy the whole coil wire with the connector on it when you assemble the enail by yourself?

I just went and looked into who sold me the coil , and its a company goes by the name of... Carolong Technology, familiar with this company?

 

[schonwandabs]

I wasn't referring to you as " new company" i apologize if i seemed like I was referring to you. I was talking about this new company that I recently found and buying coils from. But my name is Brett its nice to formally meet you Jan, but yes I bought the coil with plug already attached. And yes it is a 110V-100W-K style coil. I noticed that the numbers on my coil match your picture exactly. Is it possible that I bought one of yours just sold through a third party?

It is not good for you to have just these coils only sold to the third party, It has something to do with the wire ways. Haven't you talked to your supplier of these details, because as a manufacture here, I can confirm you that, many wires of the present enail is different, even they look like the same. They need to know how you wire or the third party wire the enail PID poles and SSR to the connector which I am going to showing you a picture in the attachment to make sure you understad me.

Even you buy from us, I can not sell to you before we are clear of the ways you wire to the connector.

By the way, Your supplier talked about these with you?

 

[MR Zulu]

It is not good for you to have just these coils only sold to the third party, It has something to do with the wire ways. Haven't you talked to your supplier of these details, because as a manufacture here, I can confirm you that, many wires of the present enail is different, even they look like the same. They need to know how you wire or the third party wire the enail PID poles and SSR to the connector which I am going to showing you a picture in the attachment to make sure you understad me.

Even you buy from us, I can not sell to you before we are clear of the ways you wire to the connector.

By the way, Your supplier talked about these with you?

yes I have that connection and yeah I asked my seller what the pinout was and the first picture i posted with the plug end was what they emailed me, the 2nd picture is my box I made and the coil plug that they already had on the coil when I bought it.

 

[schonwandabs]

I just went and looked into who sold me the coil , and its a company goes by the name of... Carolong Technology, familiar with this company?

Is this in USA, I just looked into it on google, just showed
North Carolina Tech Association
4020 Westchase Blvd #350
Raleigh, NC 27607
United States

Heard nothing about this company, I only know that there are some( less than 10 manufacture in Shenzhen city), most of the other suppliers are trading company,I do not know about yours, so sorry, and also one big problem of most of these manufactures here is that they do know how to assemble it, but little care about the accurate temperatue on Ti Nail test

 

[MR Zulu]

Is this in USA, I just looked into it on google, just showed
North Carolina Tech Association
4020 Westchase Blvd #350
Raleigh, NC 27607
United States

Heard nothing about this company, I only know that there are some( less than 10 manufacture in Shenzhen city), most of the other suppliers are trading company,I do not know about yours, so sorry, and also one big problem of most of these manufactures here is that they do know how to assemble it, but little care about the accurate temperatue on Ti Nail test

no the company is out of Shenzhen, I was on a site called DH gate

 

[schonwandabs]

Brett, I viewed your pinout picture, So you sure you wired to plug( I call connector) as what they show you, 1, TC- 2, TC+ 3 earth wire, 4 L wire from SSR, 5 N wire to the AC charger ( You can not reverse 1 and 2). If yes, Then it has something to do with the quality of the coil wire, They did not test it before they send it out to you.
The AC wire of 4 and 5 in the coil is broken, that means as I posted before, your coil can only sense the arounds, but it has no power to heat up.
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#Schonwan Tech, #Schonwandabs

 

[MR Zulu]

Brett, I viewed your pinout picture, So you sure you wired to plug( I call connector) as what they show you, 1, TC- 2, TC+ 3 earth wire, 4 L wire from SSR, 5 N wire to the AC charger ( You can not reverse 1 and 2). If yes, Then it has something to do with the quality of the coil wire, They did not test it before they send it out to you.
The AC wire of 4 and 5 in the coil is broken, that means as I posted before, your coil can only sense the arounds, but it has no power to heat up.
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#Schonwan Tech, #Schonwandabs

I will double check in the morning . Its Midnight here now , I appreciate your help and support with this. I will let you know ASAP

 

[schonwandabs]

no the company is out of Shenzhen, I was on a site called DH gate

Before conclue all the aboves, you need to confirm wire from PID TO SSR AND PID is also right

 

[MR Zulu]

so I guess I was confused on the pinout I received from my supplier, I have my Tc- on #4 & Tc+ on #5, I thought that this was right since what the pinout said & because my PLC was showing what I was guessing was a ambient temperature. When I power this latest build it only gets to 90°F , I have ran auto tune with no luck.

 

[schonwandabs]

so I guess I was confused on the pinout I received from my supplier, I have my Tc- on #4 & Tc+ on #5, I thought that this was right since what the pinout said & because my PLC was showing what I was guessing was a ambient temperature. When I power this latest build it only gets to 90°F , I have ran auto tune with no luck.

90 F is the ambient Temp sensed by the coil, Yours wire is different from your supplier as I think then, just correct to see whether then it can wor well or not

 

[schonwandabs]

so I guess I was confused on the pinout I received from my supplier, I have my Tc- on #4 & Tc+ on #5, I thought that this was right since what the pinout said & because my PLC was showing what I was guessing was a ambient temperature. When I power this latest build it only gets to 90°F , I have ran auto tune with no luck.

Brett, So next time when you buy from them, better to tell them how you wire the enail controller.