Is hydroponics better for the environment? I think it is.

[AlphaPhase]

I read it in a study last week, I'll try to find it and post the article, as stow said though, some studies can be false, and I didn't dig any deeper. I was under the impression high brix was a soil specific thing as well, until I read the study, I'll see what I can dig up on the subject

Saying hydro produce has higher brix than conventioal soil growing without providing a citation is not even a lil bit legit.

I work with a bunch of high brix farmers, all soil.

Ive never heard a hydro produce vendor mention the brix of their products. Ive bought a lot of produce over tbe years, millions worth.

Lastly the fairly well knowndoc bud high brix kit is soil only because soil biology are required to process the minerals. Cannabis brixing 17-23 is fairly common with this kit.

Ill ask around but i dont think i know any chef who would choose a hydro vegetable over a soil grown veg.

I dont have a position on whether one is more environmentally responsible.

 

[AlphaPhase]

You know, I may have been reading about organic hydroponics, I was thinking abi7t switching over to amended Coco, iI'm not finding what I'm looking for after a quick search, but aminos and less nitrates and higher P levels seem to raise brix. That could possibly be what I was referring to. I'll dig in the topic a bit more and post what I find after a decent amount of reading

 

[AlphaPhase]

Ah, it was a pdf I downloaded.

Here's the screen shots. I don't think they are saying higher brix in hydroponics, but a high brix can be achieved in hydroponic greenhouses

 

[CC Dobbs]

Source >> http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html

"For thier study, the researchers sifted through thousands of papers and identified 237 of the most relevant to analyze. Those included 17 studies (six of which were randomized clinical trials) of populations consuming organic and conventional diets, and 223 studies that compared either the nutrient levels or the bacterial, fungal or pesticide contamination of various products (fruits, vegetables, grains, meats, milk, poultry, and eggs) grown organically and conventionally. There were no long-term studies of health outcomes of people consuming organic versus conventionally produced food; the duration of the studies involving human subjects ranged from two days to two years.

After analyzing the data, the researchers found little significant difference in health benefits between organic and conventional foods. No consistent differences were seen in the vitamin content of organic products, and only one nutrient — phosphorus — was significantly higher in organic versus conventionally grown produce (and the researchers note that because few people have phosphorous deficiency, this has little clinical significance). There was also no difference in protein or fat content between organic and conventional milk, though evidence from a limited number of studies suggested that organic milk may contain significantly higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids.

The researchers were also unable to identify specific fruits and vegetables for which organic appeared the consistently healthier choice, despite running what Bravata called “tons of analyses.”

“Some believe that organic food is always healthier and more nutritious,” said Smith-Spangler, who is also an instructor of medicine at the School of Medicine. “We were a little surprised that we didn’t find that.”

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To help you understand this a little better I will let you know that the USDA organic standards are pitifully lacking in integrity and nowhere near the organic philosophy. To compare large commercial organic produce to conventional commercial produce and expect there to be much difference is naive.

If you choose to use this article as proof of something than I remain satisfied that you are a moron.

 

[AlphaPhase]

Maybe you are a moron, Dobbs, if you think there is not going to be usda grown food, or the planet is going to stop growing commercial organics or traditional farming, to feed the planet?

 

[AlphaPhase]

If you think all of the cities are going to be demolished, and people will then live in a tent, and then use the space where the houses were, to grow your fantastic, properly grown organic food, grown to your standards, to supply themselves (let's hope they don't have children, because they would surely starve from lack of yields), you need to reevaluate your ideas.

 

[AlphaPhase]

I'm just going to go ahead and add ya to my block list, Dobbs. You bring nothing to the table and your insults are not welcome. Another fine riu dousch bag has achieved greatness (of douschbaggery)

 

[st0wandgrow]

This is a good read on how, and why organic farming is beneficial (particularily long term).

http://rodaleinstitute.org/assets/FSTbooklet.pdf

 

[Heisenberg]

Its proven fact that using chemical fertz in crops is harmful to people and the environment

 

[Heisenberg]

Here's the guy behind the "genetic literacy project" that you linked. lol

http://www.propagandists.org/propagandists/jon-entine/

Please don't be swayed by the conspiracy/shill angle. That's the easiest and most generic way to discredit something you don't like, which is why we see it being used by everyone from MLM pushers to anti-vaxxers to snake oil salesmen. It's what people grasp for when they don't have actual arguments.

The question is never simply "who funded the studies", even when funding bias is suspected. The question should be, "is the methodology sound?"

 

[Heisenberg]

Chemistry's Image Problem

 

[st0wandgrow]

Please don't be swayed by the conspiracy/shill angle. That's the easiest and most generic way to discredit something you don't like, which is why we see it being used by everyone from MLM pushers to anti-vaxxers to snake oil salesmen. It's what people grasp for when they don't have actual arguments.

The question is never simply "who funded the studies", even when funding bias is suspected. The question should be, "is the methodology sound?"

What's "conspiracy/shill" about this study??

 

[hyroot]

I read it in a study last week, I'll try to find it and post the article, as stow said though, some studies can be false, and I didn't dig any deeper. I was under the impression high brix was a soil specific thing as well, until I read the study, I'll see what I can dig up on the subject

brix levels are the sugar levels in a plant. Brix levels can be raised in hydro via sugars / carbs. There are no synthetics I know of that can do that. The best bet for hydro brix levels would be to use fresh coconut water. Something that doesn't ferment. Liquid kelp (potassium works to a point).

 

[hyroot]

I don't understand what you're saying here...?

I'm saying chemicals are bad mmmkay.

a lot of people toss stalks and roots in the trash or in an open filed or compost pile or what ever. With chem / synthetic grown plants. Every part of the plant material has chemicals .As those stalks and roots and leaves break down they leave behind the chemicals that don't break down.

ground soil can be cleaned.using hemp or sunflowers or comfrey. It takes a few years for those plants to soak up all the chems and heavy metals in the ground.

the term is phytoremediation

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm saying chemicals are bad mmmkay.

a lot of people toss stalks and roots in the trash or in an open filed or compost pile or what ever. With chem / synthetic grown plants. Every part of the plant material has chemicals .As those stalks and roots and leaves break down they leave behind the chemicals that don't break down.

ground soil can be cleaned.using hemp or sunflowers or comfrey. It takes a few years for those plants to soak up all the chems and heavy metals in the ground.

the term is phytoremediation

How is this any different for organically grown stalks and roots??

 

[testiclees]

You know, I may have been reading about organic hydroponics, I was thinking abi7t switching over to amended Coco, iI'm not finding what I'm looking for after a quick search, but aminos and less nitrates and higher P levels seem to raise brix. That could possibly be what I was referring to. I'll dig in the topic a bit more and post what I find after a decent amount of reading

The well known high brix farmer consultants Jon Frank and john Kempf are all about calcium. The cannabis high brix growers same deal. Very low K and high Ca. There are a group.of soil mineral ratios that the high brix folks i know of follow closely.

Have you read up on any of those high brix grows on 420mag?
The main guy grows amazing plants. High brix doesnt really emphasize huge plants and amazing yields rather stromg bud that is super smooth and expressive of the cultivars genetics.

I confess to not knowing the slightest thing about hydro, except smoking it!

 

[hyroot]

How is this any different for organically grown stalks and roots??

uhhh the man made chemicals that are harmful. Are you just messing with me ?

 

[hyroot]

The well known high brix farmer consultants Jon Frank and john Kempf are all about calcium. The cannabis high brix growers same deal. Very low K and high Ca. There are a group.of soil mineral ratios that the high brix folks i know of follow closely.

Have you read up on any of those high brix grows on 420mag?
The main guy grows amazing plants. High brix doesnt really emphasize huge plants and amazing yields rather stromg bud that is super smooth and expressive of the cultivars genetics.

I confess to not knowing the slightest thing about hydro, except smoking it!

high calcium will induce all kinds of nutrient lockouts. With potasium lock out and magnesium lock out first

 

[AlphaPhase]

Ah, good tip with the coconut water! Thanks for that. I really had noticed a nice benefit from using aminos, but also I am always looking at ways to supercharge a hydroponic system. Alot of people don't understand the little things, like aminos, that help the over all quality of the plants. I will be looking into the coconut water, its hard finding these things for hydro that won't turn the res water into a mess

brix levels are the sugar levels in a plant. Brix levels can be raised in hydro via sugars / carbs. There are no synthetics I know of that can do that. The best bet for hydro brix levels would be to use fresh coconut water. Something that doesn't ferment. Liquid kelp (potassium works to a point).

 

[testiclees]

I'm saying chemicals are bad mmmkay.

a lot of people toss stalks and roots in the trash or in an open filed or compost pile or what ever. With chem / synthetic grown plants. Every part of the plant material has chemicals .As those stalks and roots and leaves break down they leave behind the chemicals that don't break down.

ground soil can be cleaned.using hemp or sunflowers or comfrey. It takes a few years for those plants to soak up all the chems and heavy metals in the ground.

the term is phytoremediation

bro i believe there are more contaminants, heavy metals etc in organic products than there are in pure salts. Also to keep it real dont forget everything is composed of "chemicals". The fussiest and purest growers that ive come across are guys who use pure salts. eg Spurr on ICmag.